Mask Denier Tx. Rep. Louie Gohmert tests positive for Covid

Hey, yeh I read all your information on mask types and effectiveness. Can’t argue with any of it really. It did prompt me to start researching how many aerosols including virons may actually escape a mask. There is a lot of data out there on concentrations of various particle sizes emitted while breathing or talking but there are huge variations between studies and individuals in studies (superspreaders etc). It’s hard to sort it all out and figure an average number of droplets emitted per L of exhalation or per second based on average tidal volumes and respiration rates. Too much dang math. I’ll plug away at it some more and share if I think I come up with something accurate. Perhaps someone has done the work but I can’t find it...

And the fact we don’t know the infectious dose complicates drawing conclusions even if I determine how many virons are in play in different circumstances.

As far as sources for this thread here’s what I gave another member.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/18/world/coronavirus-spreads-at-home/
I don’t have the tab to the actual Chinese data open anymore but if I run across it again I’ll share. The reduction is just based on the current claims that wearing a mask cuts risk of infecting others by about 80%. I’m open to better data if you have it but that’s the best I come up with.

I’m all for reading research and gathering data from peer reviewed formal studies. But my mind doesn’t stop there. As far as I can tell there is no hard data on mask usage for C19 in the home. So I gather the information that does exist and use it. Could I be off a bit on the math? Yep, when someone provides better data I’ll look it over. But it’s illogical to propose masks only protect outside the home. It’s not just illogical, it’s bizarre. I take a lot of crap for thinking for myself here, but that’s how I roll. It’s how I have to operate to make a living...

You don’t have to provide me links for everything. You’ve given no reason to doubt you and I don’t mind doing my own research if something I read on PF sounds hinky.

 

~ No thanks. The vulnerable in New York are dead - thanks to idiot Cuomo. Of course the death rate is down - it certainly can't go up !

 

~ Look at death rate from Wuhan virus in countries that use Hydroxychloroquine as prophylaxis for high malaria risk. See for yourself. We are being duped for the sake of politics.

 

Wait. You mean that all the New Yorkers who could have died from this have done so?

Did you really mean that? The site won’t let me characterize that claim

 

Their effectiveness.

These studies and agree with me the effectiveness of masks is debatable.

Thanks for affirming my position I always appreciate that.

 

You made it very interesting point. You're against the dishonest talk claiming they can prevent you from being infected.

The only reason you lie to people to get them to do what you want is because you think they're too stupid to handle the truth.

The truth is masks do reduce phlegm and saliva particles from being projected out of your mouth and nose.

I don't think the lying to manipulate the people would be so absurd if they were at least consistent.

Remember when there was a mask shortage? They lied to us and told us masks don't do anything.

You can only lie so many times before you lose credibility and I think that's happening.

And it has brought into question the effectiveness of masks.

 

No one has said that masks prevent people from being infected. Why is this lie still being perpetrated

 

~ I believe this is exactly how the majority of us feel. We see no results and wonder why all the flip-flop advice/information from government "experts". It's always ok to say "We are not sure. We are making calculated presumptions".
In a few months the CDC & Fauci will tell us face shields are better and that the evil Hydroxychloroquine may "possibly" prevent infection .
Sad to see public health politicized.

 

Haven't ever heard him say that it isn't POSSIBLE. It is POSSIBLE. So far, the research doesn't support it. Fauci isn't policitizing public health. The main people politicizing public health are Fauci's "critics"/Trump supporters, including yourself.

 

~ Likely there are many things you have not heard. One big reason to stay away from broadcast mainstream news media.

~ Then why are we being forced to wear them ..?

 

Nothing I've said comes from the MSM. It all comports with what we are hearing from the CDC and other medical professionals. Likely this is something you haven't heard. One reason to look beyond Trump's orders for your medical advice.

 

CDC & WHO are not trustworthy . They both said the Wuhan virus is not spread to humans and not a threat . They both were against travel restrictions. Both trusted the communist Chinese government . That is why we are infected .

 

Quote the CDC being against travel restrictions. The CDC has been more accurate that Trump has been, yet you blindly follow him. Trump has said, falsely, multiple times that we already had this under control. He's said we would have it down to "close to 0 cases" in just a few days after the initial infections.

No honest, sane person can claim that Trump is more trustworthy than the CDC when it comes to the virus. You are blatantly putting your politicization over medical facts and falsely claiming that anyone who consults the facts instead of you politics is doing so only out of "politicization." This is lunacy.

 

And the virus "rides on" those particles. It does not fly around independently

Then all you have are "Lizard People" doctors

 

When did the CDC state the virus is not spread to humans?

 

Trump's supporters on this forum are just trying to try to hide the fact that they told us, for MONTHS, that this virus was no more dangerous than the seasonal flu. Some are actually so disconnected that they are STILL clinging to that claim.

 

Back in JANUARY...they noted no "community spread" ...so Trumpers now lie about that

 

yes but a mask has to be porous so you can breathe through it so therefore this particles can go right through a mask and since the filtration particulate level of any mask is greater than the particulate size of a virus wearing a mask is not going to prevent you from getting virus. The only thing it would do is reduce debatable degree how much particulate you eject when breathing.

That's why the usefulness of the mask is debatable

so in order to be credible it's not that you have education knowledge and experienced it's that whether or not you agree with organizations, because groups of people can never be wrong.

Appeals to authority and to the majority I rather primitive logical fallacies.

 

I still don't think it's more dangerous than the flu. So why don't the claim that it is.

If you claim that it is more dangerous than the flu then you need to present evidence.

Of course that is if you can. Implying of course that the evidence doesn't exist.

 

Yeah and if the CDC agreed with Trump on things they would be discredited in your eyes.

It's amazing how you project your cult mentality unto others.

 

The trend in the research is not only that it works, but it works better than they expected.

 

I believe the total deaths related to COVID is at 150K. I believe the highest amount of flu related deaths in the US was 80k.
There has also never been a flu season where hospitals in many states were near or at capacity like we are experiencing with COVID.
So based on that alone I would say COVID is worse than the flu.

 

And we know the ~150k is probably undercounted, thanks to excessive death research. And the 80k for the flu is for the entire year, with most deaths hitting in winter. We've it >150k and it isn't even winter yet. No sane, informed, honest person can claim the COVID is the same as the flu. It is, objectively, deadlier. There is no honest way of denying this.

 

That isn't indicative that the virus is worse then the flu. Keep in mind the flu is divided into seasons so 80k deaths being caused in a single given year is not the aggregate of all flu deaths from the discovery of the virus.
So we add up the deaths from say the passed 50 years of the influenza virus it dwarfs the number of deaths caused by covid-19.

Are we going to start the counter at zero should this persist passed January like we do with the flu deaths?

Well, that may be because people generally don't go to the hospital for the flu

Well the first criteria seems to indicate it's not near as bad as the flu. We counted the deaths related to flu from zero at the beginning of the season. Nullifying all of the deaths from the prior seasons. We haven't done that with covid-19 it's just the total deaths. Total deaths related to the flu are far greater if you count all if the seasons.

You could say this season of covid 19 is worse than a single season of the flu. That I would agree with.

And hospitals being at capacity is because of the unknown factor. People go there as a precaution regarding factors of their health and the virus.

These metrics aren't enough to support the claim.

 

That's why it's debatable.

Trends and indications aren't definitive. The only point at which something becomes non-debatable is when it's definitive.