McCabe: There were 25th Amendment discussions at DOJ to remove Trump from office

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Comey had put the Presidency under a cloud by implying that they were in a criminal conspiracy with Putin, while assuring Trump privately, repeatedly, that he was not a target of the investigation. Trump repeatedly asked Comey to simply tell the American People and Congress what he was telling Trump in private. Comey refused, and then in congressional testimony even more strongly implied a criminal conspiracy. Trump lost all confidence in him and fired him and now we know for very good reason, Comey was lying to the President the entire time.

    The Russian counterintelligence investigation has never been interfered with and continues to this day. The purpose of a counterintelligence investigation is not criminal convictions but to give the President the information he needs to protect our national security interests. If this is such a pressing matter, where the hell is Mueller's report that he under law must submit to the AG?

    And if you are so worried about the Russians, why are you not demanding the Mueller report what he has found after almost two years of investigation?
     
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    We all know what their jobs are and it hardly comes as a surprise that slimy figures such as Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Ohr, et al, have been fired or demoted for misconduct. The fact is, your white knights are covered in brown.

    In case you haven't figure it out yet, manufacturing a "crime" in order to spy on a political campaign and conspiring to conduct a bureaucratic/administrative coup d'état constitute a threat to our democracy and the people's right to self-determination. That's the polar opposite of protecting all Americans.

    That being said, with Sessions out of the way we finally have an AG who can get to the bottom of this skullduggery, and Lindsay Graham appears eager to to pull on the elbow-length latex gloves and do the same.

    This party's just getting started. Are you familiar with the old saying "hoist by your own petard"? If not, you soon will be - we're in for a spectacle the likes of which we haven't seen since Richard Nixon was in office...
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Also, the FBI has nothing to do with the 25th. This is sedition plain and simple.
     
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    You think any effort to remove a republican is a coup lol
     
  5. Hoosier8

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    Just simple sedition.
     
  6. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Impeachment? Where is the acting AG mentioned in the impeachment section of the constitution?
    Are you actually afraid trumps own cabinet would remove him for no reason?
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    25th doesn’t even mention health lol
    Maybe you should read it
     
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    Why do you hate the constitution?
     
  9. jay runner

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    Technically only the house has to do with impeachment.

    But peripherally a special prosecutor can be a catalyst.
     
  10. Pants

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    While I will admit to a lack of patience in this matter (as well as a general personal character flaw in my life), I just have to wait. Mueller has more than proven his professionalism and skills in his life and I am confident that he will release his report when every stone has been turned over and he has a complete picture. My being worried about the Russians has been assuaged in knowing that the truth will come out - whatever that may be. Why would I, an average citizen, demand a professional prosecutor release a report before it is ready? How would/could I know when that report is ready?
     
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    Sect 3, 4 deals with his/her inability to discharge their duty..and was. In fact the only times Sect 3 was involved was for medical procedures. The push to finally create and pass the amendment finally came after Eisenhower's major health issues, which made him unable to preform his duties for some time.

    Again the 25th has nothing to do with the FBI....the FBI can certainly have an impact on impeachment, since the FBI investigates crimes, which could lead to impeachment of President, Judges etc In fact the FBI has been key to impeachment of Judges and President Clinton.
     
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    McCabe acted as you would expect the KGB to act, not US law enforcement to act.
     
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    Hey, hold on there. What you have no respect for traditions, norms and morays? What are you, right wing populist?
     
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    I have no doubt his cabinet would not have used the 25th. I believe McCabe was simply trying to use that as a reason to try and wiretap the President because he had no bases to actually do so. The rogue Obama holdover was simply trying to undermine the election
     
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    Sure:

    “Amendment XXV

    Section 1.

    In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

    Section 2.

    Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

    Section 3.

    Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

    Section 4.

    Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.” https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxxv

    Death = bad health

    Absolutely nothing whatsoever in there about using it because Gen. James Mattoon Scott thinks the president is an agent of a foreign power, or committed obstruction of justice, or was giving aid and comfort to Terrorists like Iran. Just because Obama and Kerry were agents of Iran, did not mean they could not discharge the powers and duties of office.
     
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    And still is trying to undermine the 2016 election while putting a bit of money in his pocket.
     
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    OR means, does not have to relate to prior term.
     
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    Sedition is part of the constitution? Which country are you talking about.
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    Was the "Russian thing" stopped? Did the "Russian thing" also include the Russian dossier and Hillary campaign which Comey was not investigating? Did the Russian thing include emails which the Russians were trying to hack including they tried to hack Hillary's emails which contained classified information and Comey injected himself into the decision whether to prosecute and shut that down even though crimes had been committed.

    EVERYONE wanted Comey fired, why do you keep ignoring that?
     
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    Efforts by unelected officials bastardizing the Constitution and using phony dossiers to do so......................yes. You think not?
     
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    The FBI’s Trump Panic
    McCabe reveals how officials contemplated a bureaucratic coup.
    "The 25th Amendment was passed after JFK’s assassination to allow for a transfer of power when a President is “unable” to discharge his duties. It is intended to be used only after demonstrated evidence of impairment that is witnessed by those closest to the Commander in Chief. It doesn’t exist to settle political differences, or to let scheming bureaucrats imagine they are saving the country from someone they fear is a Manchurian candidate. The constitutional process for that is impeachment."
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fbis-trump-panic-11550508578
     
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    Me too!

    Should be fun!
     
  23. Bluesguy

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    Its where the high crimes part would come from, the Cabinet doesn't investigate crimes. Why would the FBI take it to the cabinet?

    Wouldn't it scare you to death if they did?
     
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    They wouldn’t, this wasn’t about the 25th, it was some obama’s holdovers could spy on the President.
     
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    The skullduggery, as you call it, is in the Whitehouse, and will be exposed. You think that trump's conduct is ok, eh? I can't believe that you have not been able to recognize a con-man when he is right in front of you.
     

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