Media trust hits new low

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i point you to the last 4 years
     
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    Hardly surprising, the bias of the media is just breath-taking.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well - its both . The Oligopolies and the Bureaucracy are not separate entities - they are combined in an ugly monster I call the Oligopoly Bureaucracy Fusion Monster..

    The Oligopolies own the Media - but they also own the Bureaucratic and Political Elite.
     
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    You're probably right. But it can be a problematic thing for them to manage.

    Consider: back in the early 1930's, there was a "Oligopoly" run by the rich-and-powerful in Germany that "owned" a guy named A. Hitler.

    And, sure enough, they did, until they DIDN'T....

    The Left in this country should be very damned careful what they wish for!

    [​IMG]. "Hey, don't worry... I promise to 'play nice'!" :twisted:
     
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    I don't respond to whataboutisms.
     
  6. Lucifer

    Lucifer Well-Known Member

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    Well, considering it is the Right that has gone full authoritarian, the Left is the only bastion available.
     
  7. Pollycy

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    Without being overly critical of any one political party -- because both of the ruling ones have "gone full authoritarian" -- I'll simply observe that both are so stupid, myopic, egocentric, doctrinaire, and contentious that when the Chinese and Russian alliance decides to 'knock us off' in about another ten years, our rotted-out American "bastion" will topple over like a pile of sh!t that was stacked too high....
     
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    Then LEAVE!
     
  9. Pollycy

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    Oh, that's a real 'genius' statement.... :lonely:

    Maybe if you in the liberal, America-hating Left would leave instead, we'd stand a chance of actually being "great again", as we were all during the 1980's. It's been pretty much a complete downhill slide into a deeper and deeper cesspool ever since... thanks to idiots in BOTH political parties!

    Truth? If we'd NEVER had "Daddy" H. Bush, Bill Clinton, "W" Bush, 'Messiah' Obama, or, Donald Trump, the United States would be a HELL of a lot better off than we are today!

    The 1980's were an oasis of happiness and prosperity in a vast, ruinous desert of misery that began with liberal Lyndon Johnson's Vietnam War and then continued during the administrations I listed above.

    What we needed, so MUCH, right now, is a synthesis of John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. Instead, we got senile old Joe Biden and his Jamaican Voodoo Queen....

    And ya know who's happy right now...?

    [​IMG]. "Does it get any easier than this? And those idiots did it to themselves!"
     
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  10. Lucifer

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    I certainly don't remember the 80s as some Golden Era. If anything, it was the rise of Yuppies, those Young Urban Professionals who were the living embodiment of unbridled greed, corruption, and unadulterated hedonism. I guess your rose-colored glasses prevented you from seeing the Iran-Contra affair or the Savings and Loan scandal that ended the decade. No sir, the 80s was only a Golden Era to those who modeled Gordon Gekko, but like the fake composite of that character, many wound up either behind bars or flat broke.
     
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    Foreign Policy provides all kinds of examples of the influence of the Military Industrial Complex. We have wasted 10 Trillion dollars or more since 2000 in Iraq and Afghanistan .. with no return on investment -- negative in fact as we are getting booted out of the ME and obviously will not be participating in the rebuilding of Iran, Iraq, Syria.

    and what does our media have to say about it ? Very little and no hard questions or serious debate on the issue.

    We are told "The war on Terror" is the reason.... and that it is our "Patriotic Duty" to trade essential liberty for security - so terrible is this risk of harm (400 times less than the risk of harm from - Walking).

    Then - in an Orwellian twist of fate - nary a decade after 911 - and the War on Terror still raging strong - Obama spends most of the last decade arming, supporting and supplying the 911 Terrorist Group - Al Qaeda .. allied with them in 2 wars - along with Brother El Saud.

    Where is the media throughout on this ? Propping up known false narratives such as the "Moderate Rebel Lie" in an attempt to hide the ugly truth. Sin of omission on steroids.

    How is this BS not a threat to national security ? - wasting 10 Trillion dollars that could have been spent in infrastructure, technology, education and ramping up our economy to compete in the 3rd millennium ?

    You tell me.
     
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    Iran-Contra was a 'tempest in a teapot' which didn't really add up to SQUAT, but since it was the only thing that post-Carter Democrats could dredge up to throw at Reagan, it's all they bother to remember. After the 1970's, the period of 'Reaganomics' was a magnificent recovery from the previous ten years, beginning with Nixon and ending with Carter (puke!) Remember "Stagflation"...? Or are you too young? Most of the ones who criticize Reagan the worst are those who weren't even alive when he was our president....

    The S&L crisis was on Daddy Bush, not Reagan... get your timeline straight. The origins of the crisis actually began in the 1970's, but Daddy Bush made a real ass out of the whole thing....

    I'm an old guy, who does actually possess a painfully good memory (sometimes I wish I didn't). The 1980's were the best years the U. S. A. has had since about the mid-1960's. Everything after Reagan left, with few exceptions, has been downward death spiral into a big pile of CRAP. If you missed the Reagan years, I truly do feel bad for you. They were wonderful!
     
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    For what it's worth, I agree with you 1,000% about Iraq/Afghanistan and what a totally unnecessary, terrible waste of blood and treasure both of those fun 'adventures' have been -- and they both continue, in one form and another TO THIS DAY.

    Obama swore up and down that he'd get the U. S. out of both of them back in the 2008 campaign, but did he? And not even the 'America-First', Right-winger Donald Trump got us any further out, either.

    And now we've got ol' Joe and his Jamaican Voodoo Queen, along with a pack of Democrats running the House and Senate (again). Do you think they'll be able to find a few hours in their lofty 'deliberations' to finally, once-and-for-all, get us totally the hell OUT of Iraq/Afghanistan...? Doubtful. In fact, as of two days ago, ol' Joe has said that we're going to donate FOUR BILLON DOLLARS to the corrupt dictatorships of Central America, and who knows what the hell THAT'S going to turn into...? :spin:

    It's been this way all my long life -- the possibilities for American STOOPIDITY are truly endless....
     
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    Most folks realize at some level that the big money has a whole lot of influence in our system - those who own the Military Industrial Complex - Banks - Healthcare Oligopolies - Media - Energy.

    Our system "Pay to Play" - if you Play - along with what ever agenda your backers have - you get paid. Talking Political and Bureaucratic Elite here.

    Some resist - and these are either demonized or ignored. So long a the majority in Play mode - these lone voices matter not - and in fact are very useful in crating the illusion that there is some kind of functional democratic process in play.

    Look at Price fixing in our healthcare industry .. from Insurance - to Drugs - to equipment .. how many times have we heard some lone voice call out this practice .. Everyone points - nodding in agreement and says "LOOK LOOK - we have freedom of speech in this nation - what a good system we have " That lone voice is then quickly drowned out by the cacophony on the take - and the status quo maintained.

    Would you be the one to shoot the golden egg laying goose ? - to run against a heard of stampeding bulls knowing what happened to the last person that tried that ? Not easy .. .and even if you happen to be one of the few - it matters not if everyone else is voting against you.

    2018 - Total Healthcare Spend 3.5 Trillion. - Total Federal Revenue 3.6 Trillion - just to give an idea of how much money this is.

    Every other first world nation has universal healthcare - and they do it for roughly half the cost - some with private alongside public. We are middle of the road in terms of care. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-conservative-case-for-universal-healthcare/

    This is 1.75 Trillion dollars a year on the table -- going down the toilet - or rather into the pocket of the Healthcare Oligopolies - owned by the same international financiers that own the Military Industrial Complex - and the Banks.

    This can't continue -and something has to break - likely sooner than later with the baby boomers moving into their high healthcare cost years. - and SS now in the Red.
     
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    It’s not a whatabout. It’s a fact, it happened.
    Never mind.
    Just go back to being spoon fed.
     
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    I sometimes wonder about the survival of political and intellectual diversity in this media climate:
     
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    I am just happy when I can find something that counts as worthwhile news reporting. The issue isn't "the media". Hell porn is "the media". The issue is journalism, or more appropriately, churnalism.
     
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    you mean newsmax and fox not trustworthy?
     
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    Trump invited the terrorists to the United States the week of 9-11

    Trump thought 9-11 happened on 7-11

    I do agree, Bush messed up, the two 10+ wars cost us dearly, Bush should have just did a quick aerial attack in retribution and left it there (Bush over-reacted)

    more people have died from covid then died on 9-11 many times over, Trump lied.... many hundreds of thousands died
     
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    hyperbolic fantasyland demonization going on somewhere up there.
     
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    all true, what do you disagree with exactly?
     
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    Based on???

    We're two weeks into Bidens presidency, and there's impeachments, calls for banning conservative discussion, manipulating of the market, media bias...

    What a claim to make considering how much Democrats want to control every aspect of your life.
     
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    No...the incessant lies of Dear Leader had their effect.
     
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    Trump has been manipulating the market for the last year, the fed is actually buying stocks now
     
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    1) the implied claim that Trump bore some responsibility for 911
    2) the implied claim that Trump was responsible for Covid Deaths - one we hear quite often - and each time you do - you should put that person into the "No understanding what they are talking about" category.
     
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