So what you're saying is women have a box and men can't have one? I'm not sure I'm understanding this correctly. I agree op, all joking aside. There should be a forum for men. I'd prefer it did not say Men's Rights. I can't fully agree with the group, so I'd rather it be titled something else. Yes, there is a need for it, but it will be swamped with women who disagree or want to give men their opinions. It may well be useless, but I think it's worth a try.
You mean like men swamping women’s right? Yep, misogynists just sat quietly while women gained equal rights ..lol. . I agree there should be a forum for men...I am sure they have a lot of issues that are unique to them like having to suppress anything that is considered feminine I truly believe men have a heavy burden, because of misogyny l Women are lucky, we can be soft or tough, we can dress creatively and not have to wear a business uniform , can be homemakers or lawyers, we can cry when we’re sad or scream when we’re scared. We can sew or we can fix a car. I think men have fewer options...It wasn’t always like that. What is so interesting now is the study that shows couples one daughters more than they want sons.
Men don't hate women. Maybe some do, but those wouldn't be the ones who want to have sex with a woman. How could heterosexual men hate all women? How could anyone hate all women? Doesn't make sense to me. Actually, men like feminine women, but their numbers are few today. There are men who don't find "tough" women attractive. I am one of them. I don't hate all women. There are some I strongly dislike. Don't include yourself in the soft women. I haven't seen it. Maybe others have. It wasn't always like what? A woman couldn't fix her own car? You mean because of men? That's just not true. Women didn't want to fix their own car, if they could get a man to do it. Men cry. They just know most women will not find them attractive, if they see them crying. The few who are actually feminine will want to comfort them, but it kills libido. In fact, I almost cry every time I read a post like yours, rife with man hating verbiage. If men have fewer options, is that because of women? If men have few options, could that contribute to why you feel so emotional about a man stating his preferences when it doesn't include a woman or women? Are men not allowed to have anything of their own? Most men I know like daughters. Those who don't, generally don't want kids and probably should not have them. I don't see how that's an issue. Are you homosexual, Renee? You have a lot of anger toward men. Maybe you were abused by a man or men? I can't change any of that. I didn't abuse you. I'm pretty sure you will flip out when you read that. It didn't take much for you to go on a rant about my previous innocuous post. I didn't give you anger issues. Those you follow religiously, foment them. I've heard all of this before. Life isn't very satisfying when you are always searching. Sex with someone doesn't mean much, today. I'm sure you know that. Sorry you are so angry. Again, it really wasn't men who made you angry. It was those who wanted you to believe men are evil, so they could use you for their goals.
Chester, I will ask the same question..are you homosexual? You seem to have a lot of problems with women having equality and seem to devalue women. I think you suffer from femiphobia....that is being disgusted with men who act anything like a woman, One of my 14-year-old students once had this realization....”for a man to be respected, he has to be as unlike a woman as possible” he was a macho homophobe...and then he realized men hate homosexuals because they’re like women! But of course you can’t admit that because as you say, we need women for sex. That’s why racism is so acknowledged and sexism isn’t. Men need women To address your points...yes men like feminine women...what is feminine to you? I love feminine clothes, I love to get my hair and nails done, I love lipstick etc....I also love jeans and sweats. You have no idea how “soft” I am...just your insecurity again. Actually you sound kind of wimpy You sound silly saying you don’t like some strong women...I bet you don’t like some weak women either. Why put women in sub categories? Men don’t cry because women will find them unattractive? Thanks for telling women what they think. No, you don’t cry because it make you “weakl, ya know...like a woman! Why do you keep saying I hate men? You sound foolish and insecure. I am married to the most dynamic man and the men I know don’t speak like you. They are much more confident Obviously I am much older than you. I recall when men wanted sons more than daughters, I remember a man on a panel one saying you can have bigger dreams for a son and that was true. Today a father can have the same dreams for his daughter plus the advantages of having daughters. We raise sons to leave When I grew up My brother was raised to be a doctor and I was raised to marry one. Thank goodness to those “man hating feminists” medical schools are half male now. It didn’t happen in a vacuum. We had to endure men like you attacking “our feminity l You’re personal attacks are sophomoric and your projection that somehow I have been abused by men etc just shows your insecurity..I hope you aren’t projecting , that somehow you see strong women as hating men and weak submissive women as the ideal. I hope you have a marriage like I have. A strong man who loves me, for my strength and for my” femininity “. If you respond try and keep it intellectual, rather than Insults and I will do the same
Yes, go on.....Oh, you have no femininity.... At least, nothing I have seen in your posts. Strong man? I guess s/he's very strong or s/he couldn't handle you. Does s/he allow you to post here while s/he's working for your clothes and makeup? Today, "husband" can mean many things. I don't attack every woman's femininity. Just yours, Renee. You are the only woman who addressed my post. I thought it was pretty innocuous. You got all excited and had to quote it to school me. Take your rants on feminism to your "husband". Let him handle you. I'm tired of your sick mind. You see evil woman haters around every corner and have to lash out at them for something you have no clue about. Then, you tell everyone how feminine you are. pffft Yeah, you're feminine.......
Wow..your sexism is adorable. I guess I have to play the same game, you have no masculinity because you need to put down women, by the way what is femininityto you? Make up and clothes? How shallow can you get. Interesting that’s you think my husband “has to work for my make up....” but you’re not sexist. And I chuckle that my husband has to “handle me”. I’m not a child, we have something you’re probably not familiar with..a partnership of equals.... I do t see “evil man haters”...just insecure men. The men I know would laugh at you
I hate to call it that term. I don't know of a proper term without offending someone. Some of those are considered alt-right, some misogynistic, some racially biased. I'm not for any of those, but I am for men getting together and talking about men's issues, hobbies and activities. I guess men aren't allowed to do that without being labeled. That being the case, we must be open about all things we say and do for scrutiny. Some of that is good, I suppose.
What sexism? I called it as I saw it. Sexism is about a whole group. This is a conversation between you and me. I know women IRL that are feminine. That eliminates the sexism charge. You ask what feminism means to me and then tell me what it means to me according to you. Since you think you know, I don't feel it necessary to tell someone as ignorant as you, since you know it all. Ask you husband about your makeup. I don't care about it or what he signed up for when he married you. Go argue with him. That's why you get on here. You can't win with him, so you need to beat up on men elsewhere for what he has done to you. You are not a child, though your mind reads as not objective and secure, which is immature, hence childish. Equality to you is not truly equal, according to many of your posts. I'm sure the men you know would laugh at me. They must be brutes to be able to handle you. You have simply proven my statements with that post. Thank you and please do not consider yourself on the side of gender equality, since you don't consider me equal to you or other men.
You’re pathetic.....I won’t stoop to your level. It is sad how you project your hateful mind set onto others
The trouble is men have a hard time discussing personal issues. When I was organizing consciousness-raising groups years ago my husband tried to get a men’s groups together and what was so interesting the men could not really talk at a very personal level they ended up talking about sports and politics.etc A lesson I once did with my eighth graders was asking them how their lives would be different if they were the opposite gender. Very often the boys would say that they would be able to talk about their and call each other and talk on the phone. (now no one talks on the phone)
I call 'em as I see 'em. I love you, too. Many men do have a hard time discussing feelings. My original point was to get away from the need to talk about feelings, which you took issue with.
Its not hard to understand for thousands of years men fought each other for resources and positioned so they could trade those resources including themselves to attract women and make children and it was usually the case unless a man was totally undesirable to almost all women they could get one to be with them even if they had to settle. And women settled if they had to since men equaled support for them and their children. It wasn't unfair to either the men had a companion, sex partner who was likely having his children and the valued domestic labor women provided the man offered other support this included to some degree protection from other men and this was often legal. The man had ownership of the wife under the law as you noted but that meant often some legal protections for her as the man's wife and therefore being an asset eve if the man wasn't a warrior or had lots going for him the man gained respect of other men and that was protection to. Now things are shifting historically very fast and the old rules I work, I gain resources and maybe am not much to be with but I could expect to marry a woman and have children and gain the respect of a man having a wife and children and being a 'stand up man' is going away for career women and their focusing on marrying peers with similar educations or marrying up a notch if she is offering a lot to a higher tier man. That is leaving behind Renee a lot of men with no options or few options I can opt out which do to being disabled took, or I could have if I worked hard as a man and had a trade or career maybe marry an immigrant woman who wanted stability and citizenship my 'deal' she assumes the role of my wife and get in a good pre-nup to protect my assets and interest first or one can seek commercial release such as being with prostitutes based on ability to pay (from cheap streetwalkers to high class escorts). Just if things were different would they be I'm not very attractive in the 'old days you mock' if I had a good trade, had stability and resources I could still have expected to marry a nice girl even if it was a case of a less desired choice a plain jane who was nice to me over no choice at all which is developing as more women get the higher educations. But men and our rights are now being forced to change to accommodate women and there are going to be pains in that like all societal change just this time its a diametric shift since women don't need men, some don't want them and some are overly picky aiming in the top of the men stock then the middle or lowers and its a slow shift in some ways but in a century will men and women be both with issues with intimacy with each other as genders? I think in the lower end of the strata of options, in Western and advanced nations maybe not. Face it historically as a new movement for women its good for you but men are losing their way and many men are reacting to this sometimes negatively but my take is men need to go our own way if not offering much to women and do something else, leave your gender to fight over men who are left. I noted Japan as one example but the other is China they literally had policies that favored boys for so long they have few women and they are naturally able to be very, very selective even if not the prettiest or best choices and get top men what about the rest? Their government has a right to be concerned.
Really? Do you have some link? I find that very difficult to believe. I know some think they are wimps. I know others think it's the only way to have a decent marriage or relationship. Now, of course whining about things all the time isn't what I mean. I guess we need to post their rules so we have a level playing field? I don't know all of those things and they keep changing them so they can prove their divisive points with circumstantial evidence garnered through nefarious means. @Renee has points to prove. She comes here to trick men into saying things she can point out to her class in an effort to teach them the signs of discrimination......basically what is believed to be evil men. So, when she keeps coming back to a person, like me, she wants to secretly disparage for educational purposes. At least, that's how I understand it.
Thank you Dr. Freud for your analysis. I think you come here to spew venom and are petrified of women. I think you think women are evil and you keep coming back to me because you need to disparage a strong woman. OK are we even now?
Men are discouraged from sharing their feelings because it makes them be “like women” and that is equal to weak to many That kind of socializing begins early in childhood when you hear a parent say stop acting like a girl, or big boys don’t cry. Boys sadly have to suppress their emotions and that could contribute to why men die younger than women. Showing emotion other than aggression( which is considered OK in a male),should be encouraged. Males are just as nurturing and loving and have a lot to offer. I remember there was a movie, .mr mom....That was saying that parenting is a woman’s role why wasn’t he Mr. dad?
None of it is a malicious lie, @Renee. I didn't have to analyze you. You've posted enough that allowed me to easily extrapolate. Do you deny that you teach, that you teach discrimination, or that you come here to find examples for the class? I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
Women don't have sex with men who are too emotional. If men were like women, there would be few children born. Well, that's happening now. Men do show emotions, but in different ways than women. Some are the same. Men die younger because women have to many expectations for them and then constantly want to improve them. Men die younger because there is so much competition in the world. Men die younger because nature says women don't need them after a certain age. Our bodies weren't meant to live as long as we do, but modern science has allowed us to extend out lives. Who cares about a movie? I was taught to separate fantasy from reality. Movies are fantasy. Even those that are about specific events and people are manufactured according to the writer and director's understanding and personal biases. It's sad that you don't realize that.
[ I don’t think you have the ability to hurt my feelings but thanks for the consideration anyway. You are confusing facts with your pseudo-analyzing. Yes I teach about bigotry and prejudice but that isn’t the reason I come here. I will admit it is helpful for me to see the other side because I work mostly with teachers and teenagers, two groups that tend to be less bigoted
Oh my God I didn’t realize that just pointing out nurturing men shouldn’t be called Mr. mom opened a door way to Hollywood movies..?? And your reasons why men die younger is as misogynistic as it comes. Yep we women it’s all our fault because we have too many expectations for men. Yep it’s for all our fault because we want to improve them Yep it’s all women’s fall because we don’t need them after certain age. But you’re not a misogynist, right? LOL Actually using your illogic would be good examples of why women should be the ones dying younger. The expectations put on us cause us to mutilate our bodies and have plastic surgery. And You don’t think men put expectations on women?And it seems like men are the ones who just discard women as they get older. Just look at your president
