mini ice age could be on the way and it’s going to get very, very cold

Personally I hope this is wrong but if it happens it will be interesting to see if the wamer cult goes quiet. Might be time for the left to find another Boogeyman.

"Humanity is facing a long, cold winter which could see temperatures across the planet plunge to depressing lows. That’s the warning from a Nasa scientist who fears sunspot activity on the surface of our star has dropped so low that it could herald the arrival of a uniquely grim mini Ice Age. ‘We see a cooling trend,’ Martin Mlynczak of Nasa’s Langley Research Center told Space Weather. ‘High above Earth’s surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy."

"If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold.’ Sunspot activity follows a cycle which is believed to last 11 years as the number of patches peaks and drops. There have been very few spots on the sun for most of this year, meaning that it could be about to get very cold, very quickly."


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/16/a-mi...ng-to-get-very-very-cold-8146529/?ito=cbshare

 

The ‘Mini Ice Age’ Hoopla Is A Giant Failure Of Science Communication
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/mini-ice-age-hoopla-giant-failure-science-communication/


This month there’s been a hoopla about a mini ice age, and unfortunately it tells us more about failures of science communication than the climate. Such failures can maintain the illusion of doubt and uncertainty, even when there’s a scientific consensus that the world is warming.

The story starts benignly with a peer-reviewed paper and a presentation in early July by Professor Valentina Zharkova, from Northumbria University, at Britain’s National Astronomy Meeting.

The paper presents a model for the sun’s magnetic field and sunspots, which predicts a 60% fall in sunspot numbers when extrapolated to the 2030s. Crucially, the paper makes no mention of climate.

The first failure of science communication is present in the Royal Astronomical Society press release from July 9. It says that “solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s” without clarifying that this “solar activity” refers to a fall in the number of sunspots, not a dramatic fall in the life-sustaining light emitted by the sun.

The press release also omits crucial details. It does say that the drop in sunspots may resemble the Maunder minimum, a 17th century lull in solar activity, and includes a link to the Wikipedia article on the subject. The press release also notes that the Maunder minimum coincided with a mini ice age.

But that mini ice age began before the Maunder minimum and may have had multiple causes, including volcanism.

Crucially, the press release doesn’t say what the implications of a future Maunder minimum are for climate.

 

Different report by different scientist than the NASA scientist in the OP but there does seem to be a growing number predicting a mini ice age is here. I don't want to believe this because I'm not going to be around that much longer and the thought of my remaining years being an ice age era is a bit depressing. You don't want to believe it because you have built your reality around AGW and the catastrophic effects you feel it will bring about. Like I said though there's part of me that wants this to happen just out of curiosity. What will all you warmers do when you don't have something to blame on man, on industrialization and on America. Will you be so absorbed with the reality of growing glaciers and failing crops that you will be to busy to look for a man made boogeyman or will you look for a new one? My guess is you would concoct a new theory that man's C02 is somehow making the ice age even ice "agier." LOL

 

Actually pseudo-science embracing leftists have already got their ideological bases covered by the umbrella term called 'Climate Change" because nobody can deny that the world slipping into a mini ice age due to a lack of sunspot activity is indeed Climate CHANGE. Hence they will triple down on demands for research money and restrictive laws on citizens, because that is how the Left rocks and rolls.

 

I am simply a realist who researches before making conclusions, and though a mini Ice age is always possible (especially when considering the Atlantic conveyor/Currents) at this point indicators are simply not there to make the possibility likely. The indicators for increased warming however are abundant and compelling, particularly the changes in ocean albedo and methane release. I honestly do not care what anyone else thinks on this because like you I wont be here for what happens and will not be dealing with it....All I can say is....Buckle up!

 

According to the mini ice age predictions it will happen very fast just like the last mini ice age did and may be happening as we speak.

 

As I said....unlikely.

 

Why is it less likely now than when it happened in the very recent past?

 

Probably because the indicators are not there, but one huge volcanic event could certainly change that like it did in the event you refer to.

 

I wish I shared your certainty but we are currently in a very active volcanic period.

 

You do know that Martin Mlynczak is referring to the thermosphere and only the thermosphere right?

 

You're being sarcastic right? These lone gun scientists that have been bucking the consensus have been predicting an ice age for almost 50 years now and it never happens. On the flip side the consensus has been predicting warming for decades and...dadgummit...it keeps happening. Shocking, I know.

 

That would be awesome (and I'm sure my fellow 'hot place' dwellers would agree). But sadly, it's probably not going to happen.

 

It would be pretty cool if true. I love a good snowstorm. So anything that improves the odds of snow for my region is okay in my book. I won't be holding my breath though.

 

The guy in the OP from NASA is basing his opinion on what is happening now not 50 years ago. I hope he's wrong but what's going on with weather across the US right now makes me wonder. Time will tell and these mini ice age events tend to happen virtually overnight so we should know soon.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-weather-shatters-102-year-old-record.545871/

 

Huh?

"Humanity could soon face a long, cold winter which could see temperatures across the planet plunge to depressing lows."


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/16/a-mi...ry-very-cold-8146529/?ito=cbshare?ito=cbshare

 

Ya, it looks like the weather in the northeast will be cooler than normal for the next couple of weeks but the southeast will be getting warmer. Rain is predicted in California. So I see no little ice age. We did have an early frost this year but nothing like an ice age...just a little cooler than normal. With weather this stuff happens. It seems...for us...they always predict cooler than normal temps.

 

Yeah. So says the author of that article who, per usual, has misrepresented the science. It's dishonest to put that statement in quotes and pretend like it came from Mlynczak. I don't know who to blame for that. You or the author of the article. Either way it's wrong.

Here is what Mlynczak actually said. You'll also find links to his peer reviewed research.

https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/09/27/the-chill-of-solar-minimum/

 

Seems as though you are desperately looking to isolate this to the thermosphere without following things to there logical conclusion.

"The thermosphere always cools off during Solar Minimum. It’s one of the most important ways the solar cycle affects our planet,”

Why would he say it's one of the most important ways it effects our planet if it doesn't effect our planet and is confined to the thermosphere? You seem to be implying that the sun's activity has absolutely no relevance in our climate. Is that your position on this?

 

Because it is one of the most important ways solar cycles effect the planet. The thermosphere is highly sensitive to shortwave radiation so it responds rapidly and with large changes when solar radiation itself changes. But the thermosphere is not the same thing as the troposphere and hydrosphere. He is not saying the troposphere and hydrosphere are going to cool; not even close. He's only saying the thermosphere is going to cool which scientists already overwhelmingly agree and have even known about for decades because it's already been cooling for decades. This is yet another piece of evidence that definitively shows that the Sun is not the dominant driver of the temperature changes in the troposphere and hydrosphere today.

 

It has not been proven that sunspots affect the earths temps. But if sunspots do affect climate or weather the effect is minimal. But I would imagine that you can predict an outcome and appear to be right through chance. So if it doesnt get much colder this winter you may predict a hotter summer due to increased sunspot activity in the future. Then you can say you were right all along. I have heard this before...nuthin new here.

 

Sunspots are a proxy for total solar irradiation. They definitely effect the climate and have a measurable impact on it. The Maunder Minimum produced an essential radiative forcing that led to the Little Ice Age. Likewise, the Modern Maximum produced an essential radiative forcing that brought us out of the LIA and warmed the Earth prior to about 1900-1950'ish. The problem today is that solar radiation has been on the decline for 60 years now and the Earth has continued to warm. Actually, not only has the Earth continued to warm, but the rate at which it has warmed is increasing. That's how we know that solar radiation is not the dominant driver of the global mean temperature after WWII. Nevermind that it can't explain the cooling stratosphere which is considered to be the smoking gun signal for the greenhouse gas effect but whatever. That later point is a different topic for a different time.

 

So I was correct when I said it seems like you think the dun has little to do with Earth's climate. I'll just let that rediculous statement stand on it's own. No further commentary from me is necessary

 

That was debunked in another thread

 

I never said that and I don't think it either. But you already know that. Why don't you just read what Mlynczak has to say regarding the subject?