Mistakes we have made in the struggle against islamic jihad

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Liberals and their entire PC agenda is an affront to the 1A and government slavery already exists due to welfare.
     
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    People are forced at gunpoint to be on welfare by the government?
     
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    A corrupt education system renders people unemployable - they must survive on welfare.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, by starvation and death to the elements or disease.
     
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    So then you admit it isn't government slavery.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Any slave has the choice to obey or die. I'm not sure why you'd think chosing to die means it's not slavery.
     
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    Slaves are forced by an external entity to work against their will.

    If you are defining starvation and disease as enslaving entities, then everyone is a slave.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Slavery is not being forced to do something, its about not having the freedom to improve your situation by outside pressure. Peasantry was as much slavery as early US slavery. Slavery of SE asians in Islamic countries by taking passports, or kidnapping someone and turning them into sex slaves is no different.

    Everyone in these situations have the option to die, and without welfare, the vast majority surely would.
     
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    You will not find your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) definition of slavery in any legal dictionary anywhere.
     
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    Slavery has existed in different times and places in various and different forms.....some of it humane as was the case in our Great Southland....some very brutal as in South America.....where the number of black slaves far exceeded ours....yet why is it we only here about it going on here and even that is greatly distorted and mis-interpeted.

    Why is it we never hear about the White Slaves in Colonial America....why is it that so called 'indentured servitude' is portrayed as some genteel form of servitude....why is it that most White Ameicans are ignorant of the fact that most of their ancestors who came over from England bought their way here by entering into a very harsh form of slavery for the most part....disguised by the term 'indentured servitude'....the great majority of these liberals who wring their hands over the the genteel and humane form of slavery down south have ancestors who suffered far worse than those blacks fortunate enough to have lived on Plantations rather than in the African Hell-Hole. So much misinformation....so much ignorance.

    Do not expect any Dictionary to explain the reality of slavery here in America or anywhere else for that matter.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilear..._that_only_about_4_of_the_slaves_brought_over
     
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    Slavery is submission to a dominating influence.

    You can call it bull all you want, but it's a fact.

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    Or even as recent as appalachian coal miners who worked for scrip and essentially belonged to the company stores.

    One of the reasons poverty is still so rampant in rural appalachia.
     
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    Interesting, so anyone who submits to the dominating influence of their employer is a slave.

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    Interesting, so anyone who submits to the dominating influence of their employer is a slave.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah except people with skills can get another job somewhere else.

    I gave you an example where it would be slavery, like working for scrip in a coal mine where the only place you can spend it is at the company store.

    Technically US slaves had jobs as well didn't they? So yes, in some cases it could be slavery.

    The problem with the lifetime welfare subscribers is that they have no skills, 75% of the time have no signifigant other, and would make even less money if they did try advancing their careers at entry level jobs.

    They are stuck, they have no recourse other than welfare, and couldn't get a decent job with ANYONE other than the government handouts.
     
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    And this does nothing to rebut my point that the few do not represent the many even if the few is 350 million out of 1.7 billion.
     
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    And what was done in the past was immoral by my measure of morality.
     
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    With a number as high as 350 million, it's not really a few.
     
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    I doubt the threat of being hanged will do a thing to dissuade those who are suicidal fanatics.
     
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    It's not really about being a deterrant.
     
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    Says who and by what authority? Few is relative to that which it is measured against. But you can replace few with the minority, some, a number of, etc. the point is that the overwhelming majority of Islam does not support terrorism like some on the right would like us all to think.
     
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    What is it about and how does it mitigate terrorism?
     
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    There are relatively few Great White attacks but I wouldn't go swimming with them.

    I'm no expert on the matter, but I've read more than one poll where the majority of Muslims didn't seem to look negatively on terrorism.

    Permanently preventing them from committing terrorist acts, or influencing others to do the same.
     
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    Where you compare all Islam with great whites I would limit the comparison to just the terrorists as I can separate the terrorists from Islam as a whole.

    As have I, but are you looking for the micro that supports a your view, or are you looking at the macro to assess Islam as a whole? Polls on support for terrorism vary wildly from country to country but as a whole the overwhelming majority of Islam does not support terrorism.

    Which does not require a public execution.
     
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    They don't intend for you to know the difference, that is the problem.

    350 million people is not a micro anything. You're talking about the entire population of the US.

    It does if you want to be 100% sure.
     
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    Source citation needed for above claim. I am betting the above is anecdotal.

    Moot point as 350 million is a small fraction of 1.7 billion.
     
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    Not good at math.....i got it.
     

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