>>Mod Warning<< Thoughts on the War in Iraq

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Who cares? The American people want out of every war too early. Read information about the atomic bombings on Japan at the end of World War Two. The U.S. was having to cut back dramatically on the draft prior to the Japanese surrendering because after the Germans surrendered, Americans were clamoring to "bring all the boys home".

 

Again, even if the Iraqis demanded we leave, it isn't like they could (or would) have done anything to force us to leave.

 

I've given you the references. Whether you choose to invest the time is up to you. I have no interest in convincing you of anything. The responsibility of being informed rests with you.

 

Take a look around the globe. How many military installations and basses? In how many nations? We would go after anyone else doing what we do. That's why things are are a shambles at home and getting worse. Hell, you helped pay for North Korean nuclear reactors a mere two years before we placed them on an axis of evil list, utterly bipartisan that deal was too. Now we're supposed to sign off an a war with them? Jeebus man.

 

Yup, we're colonizers.

 

Exactly. It was Obama against the lessons of history and the advice of all his advisors who decided that he was smarter than anyone and pulled us out of Iraq thus giving up the hard won victory and the functional representative constitutional republic of Iraq. Iraq then became a banana republic controlled by Shia Iranian influence.

 

What countries are we colonizing ??

 

Our own for starters.

 

How can the United States colonize itself ?? Oh, I get it. Anything more recent ??

 

A cabal of the aristocracy is economically colonizing it's own citizenry as well as those of other nations. We all know that even if only on some primoridal hind brain level. Most of us deal with that reality via denial and partisanshitheadism.

 

Well I can bet if Bush had still been President, ISIS would have been defeated years ago. He would have never allowed ISIS to take over almost half of Iraq. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't doubt he may have did what his father did when IRAQ asked for air power when ISIS came down that desert highway, with nowhere to hide. Obama had chance after chance to do it and refused.
"Highway of Death" Iraqi Army Armed Retreat from Kuwait ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhmXleZXAr0

 

Did we "colonize" West Germany? Japan? Philippines? Cuba? Panama?

Just because we leave our troops in some country a few years, even a few decades doesn't mean we're taking them over and keeping them.

 

You know damn good and well we would be bombing the phuck out of anyone who tried what we do. And you're correct, we do not leave do we. We remain to protect the interests of the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class and resource/wealth extraction.

 

You have not posted any references to me.

And, pointing to a book is really no better than a dodge, especially when not accompanied by the specific support it might give to a particular point.

The responsibility to make supportable argument rests on every poster. And, so far your sweeping accusations against Obama make no sense at all - especially in light of the fact that the decisions with which you object were most often made by Bush.

More importantly, we should be focused on the mistakes made in Iraq so that we can recognize and avoid them in the future. We have not done a good job of that so far. We DID manage to stay out of Syria in any major way. However, we worked with NATO to conquer Libya, which showed similar problems as did our adventure in Iraq.

 

Obama's reluctance you mean. His Generals wanted to fight the war differently than Obama did. To try and keep us out of a war again, Obama got us into a much bigger one and dragged it out for years longer than he had to.

 

The defeat of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria rapidly accelerated during President Trump’s first year in office, beginning with the fall of East Mosul on Jan. 25, and continuing with a cascading series of defeats for the brutal terrorist group over the next 11 months.

The campaign liberated twice as many people and 18 percent more territory as in the previous 28 months under President Barack Obama, according to Defense Department figures.

On Jan. 20 — the day Trump was inaugurated — an estimated 35,000 ISIS fighters held approximately 17,500 square miles of territory in both Iraq and Syria.

As of Dec. 21, the U.S. military estimates the remaining 1,000 or so fighters occupy roughly 1,900 squares miles of mostly barren desert primarily in Syria, where few people live, and where they will be forced to surrender or die. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...as-lost-sin…/…/2644137

There is little you can do to stop the attacks by ISIS sympathizers in Europe or the U.S. But as a fighting force, they are all but done.

 

I don't believe this subject is worthy of quibbling about the terminology.

The direction posed by strategic thought such as:
http://truthandarttv.com/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
IS oriented to establishing US military influence or control over broad new segments of the globe.

 

There was no deviation from Obama policy that can possibly explain the progress made there.

Plus, we're getting very little information in general, as the chaos in the White House sucks all the air from the various military operations.

 

Cause Junior was a alcoholic..The war took the place of his intoxication.

 

So, you're suggesting that the US bargain in bad faith with our allies?

How does that even slightly make sense in this case, where our forces would essentially be invading our ally, with objectives counter to the objectives of the sovereign nation we'd be invading?

Seriously, this is not even reminiscent of what America stands for.

 

There is no evidence that George W. Bush has drank any in decades.

 

Bull, there is plenty of deviation from Obama's policies. Pilots were coming back with over 70% 0f their load because of restrictions Obama put on them. They had to get permission before they were allowed to bomb or strafe their targets. Obama never got serious of wanting to win the war untill his last months in office.

 

I am not quibbling over terms. I am saying something completely different.

There is no such thing as an American Empire.

People perpetuate this fraud in order to promote their propaganda of America hate.

 

Well, the military won its first interaction with Obama on the wars in Afg and Iraq. Obama did not even receive from them a plan that showed the direction he wanted.

I'm not sure what you were hoping the military would get to do, but remember that Bush had signed us out of combat operations in Iraq except as it pertained to support and training of the Iraqi military.

 

1. US Pilots Confirm: Obama Admin Blocks 75% of ISIS …
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   "You went 12 full months while ISIS was on the march without the U.S. using that air power and now as the pilots come back ... pilots are being told to back ... bombs ...
   
   
2. U.S. pilots: Obama blocks 75% of ISIS strikes - WND
   www.wnd.com/2015/11/u-s-pilots-obama-blocks-75-of-isis-strikes
   Nov 20, 2015 · U.S. pilots: Obama blocks 75% of ... using that air power and now as the pilots come back to talk to us they say ... goes out of their way to put ...