MSNBC medical contributor tells Americans to start wearing masks again after uptick in COVID hospita

Hey wait a second Dairyair (love the name)I tried. The facelifts did not work. I sneezed and the whole damn thing collapsed.



Liberal or Buttface? I guess both according to Joe. Lol. I will wear it. I am going to try staple it all back.

 

There is plenty of evidence they provide excellent, but not perfect, protection.

Mocking what you know little about?

Covid shots saved lives.

From Canada...

Roughly 85% of Canadians over five have had at least one covid vaccination.



The unvaccinated 15% are doing 48% of the dying.



https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19.html

The shot is not "experimental" and it does work.

It's not gene therapy. You don't know the vaccines work, nor do you seem to be aware of what they are and aren't.

Teenagers are more likely to develop myocarditis after catching covid than they are from taking the vaccine.

"The risk of developing myocarditis, an inflammatory heart condition, is six times higher in male teenagers who have contracted Covid-19, compared with the likelihood of the rare side-effect emerging after getting the Pfizer/BioNTech jab, a new US study has found."​

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/29/covid-poses-higher-risk-of-myocarditis-than-vaccine-in-male-teens-us-study

 

COVID was the most effective way of getting Americans to hand over their freedoms in history, even more so than 9/11. Justin Trudeau even said COVID was a roadmap for dealing with gun violence, climate change, and anything else he doesn't like.

Americans who have lives to live aren't going to let another shutdown happen. It was pointless. New York had the most extreme shutdowns in the country. We all saw it New Yorkers voluntarily carrying their papers around, giving up their jobs for tiny bits of government money, and staying indoors to lower the curve. Three and half years later, New York is still close to the top in deaths per capita.

Plus the vaccine was useless. The number of unvaccinated in Texas was higher than the entire population of the state of New York, and Texas was seeing fewer deaths.

 

Especially since most people have realized how useless they were.

Good news, horse paste is now approved for treating it.

 

We're not the one's against having choices.

 

Very few people are wearing masks.

 

Nonsense. In Canada, the unvaccinated 15% did 48% of the dying.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-covid-hospita.612421/page-5#post-1074380663

 

You must be into trick questions that you invent yourself.

 

Around Vancouver, BC, that seems to be the case. I saw one mask today, and it was pulled down under the chin, looked like maybe a college student, riding a bike. In a similarly populous area around Seattle or Portland, I typically see dozens, half of them driving alone in their car...

 

Hardly; you had a offered your own advice, which had opposed the standard advice of the medical community-- hence my question:

DEFinning said: ↑
And would you generally also advise that people get their medical advice from doctors, or from anonymous internet posters, with no medical training?
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So, in my question, I was merely reflecting the situation, which you were presenting. Did you somehow miss that? IOW, you are the "anonymous internet poster," offering up his own advice, instead of what doctors generally advise. So my question was if you would advise that people generally take contrarian advice, from the likes of someone like you-- such as the advice you had given. How the F. is that something, of my own invention? And how is it a "trick question" to ask if the practice of taking the sort of advice you were offering, was in your opinion, a wise practice?

 

Horse paste? What are you talking about?

 

I can see wearing a mask if you're riding a bike in downtown Vancouver.

I haven't been spending time in Portland or Seattle lately, but my sister is in and out of Portland three times a week and says she doesn't see masks.

This respirator, worn properly, provides very good protection.



Of course, you still might get it, but you're far less likely to catch it in a store. If you're 17, you don't worry much about it. If you're 80, you might consider getting your covid booster, and staying out of crowds if there's a spike in covid infections. A respirator might be an option for shopping or taking transit.

If we get a case spike, older people might take sensible precautions and cut down on their need for hospital space so we won't put pressure on our healthcare systems where a lot of non-emergency care gets put on hold. We also risk burning out our healthcare workers if we have a run on hospitals. We're already short of doctors and nurses.

BC had something like one-fifth the covid death rate of states like Texas and Florida. People took these sensible precautions and only felt pressure to wear masks in stores in 2020 when there was no vaccine. Restaurants and bars were closed. Events with large crowds were cancelled. They successfully "flattened the curve" on covid cases and kept their hospitals from ever being overrun. Once they had vaccines, everything opened up. Schools were online for just a couple on months in early 2020. Students went back full-time before school finished in June.

 

No one is wearing respirators. I see mostly the simple cloth masks with no particulate rating, occassionally surgical masks, ZERO respirators or construction masks. Why are people still wearing these?

 

I wouldn't waste my time. If you want protection, wear this...



They're made to be worn by people doing light work.

 

Yes I know what a respirator is. I use them frequently. I have one that looks like what you pictured, but I use better filters that also have chemical vapor protection.

Why, if you had to guess, are people still walking around with the simple cloth masks that dont protect against anything at all?

 

I'm not sure what advice I gave that you think is contrary to what the medical community advises. If you mean I recommend against using a mask to prevent a covid infection then I can assure you many in the medical community including my own doctors recommend against wearing masks now that the virus is endemic. They weren't even wearing masks around the hospital last time I was admitted. I didn't see a mask outside the operating room anywhere. I'm guessing but I think the majority of doctors would tell you that wearing a mask to prevent a COVID infection is pointless. You may have better data than I have but I stand by what I wrote.

 

Because they're misinformed. I'd much prefer a respirator to a mask for comfort. The respirator stays put on your face, too.

 

It is pretty pathetic, when you don't even know what you'd said, a couple of steps back, in a conversation. I guess you don't pay much attention to what you say, either. Have you not learned about the little arrows, that appear after someone quotes you? If you click on the arrow after "FMW said," it should bring you back to that original post. So try to follow this chain of conversation in which, believe it or not, you took part:

LangleyMan said: ↑
I assume you wouldn't advise them against wearing a reusable P100 respirator like this...

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... that costs $30 on Amazon and filters 99.97% of particles the size of the coronavirus. (Smaller particles are picked up because of Brownian Motion.) These could protect people at risk of serious illness from covid.

The same goes for the vaccine. Old people and those in poor health benefit from the vaccine.
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That is the post that you answered with, simply--

fmw said: ↑
Yes, I would advise against it.

-- which means you would advise against both things that Langely Man mentioned: P-100 respirators-- which are effective at preventing Covid transmission-- and vaccines, for "old people and those in poor health." So if, let's say, you can try to imagine that you had an elderly relative, who was at an elevated risk for serious consequences, from a Covid infection, whose doctor had told him he should get immunized, and who even recommended, in your unhealthy relative's particular case, the wearing of a respirator, would you recommend that high risk individual should listen to the advice of some anonymous person on the internet, with no medical training (like you), and no knowledge of their particular circumstances, over the advice of their own doctor? If your answer is yes, why should they then, by the same principle, not also trust the online rando, ahead of their doctor, on questions like, do they really need to have their appendix removed?

 

I'm in a hurry this morning. Study up on Infection Fatality Rate and Case Fatality Rate and other such terms, and we'll talk about it later.

 

In regards to your statement in paragraph 1-What "freedoms" do you no longer have because you were asked but never ordered by law to take a vaccine or wear a mask? Your comment is baseless.

In regards to 2, asking people to stay at home was as a result of there being NO vaccines available-now that they are and so much more is known about the viruses to be able to create new vaccines, the likelihood of full-shut downs is less likely. Ironically had there been no shutdown, and anyone died, you would be using your exact same baseless argument to claim there was a conspiracy by government to kill us all. The decision to shut down was based at a time when there were NO vaccines and no one knew the full extent of the danger of exposure to Covid 19 was. It was an exercise in caution since human lives were on the line. To have done anything else would have been negligent at that time in the absence of the info we now have. It is easy for someone like you with no pandemic planning experience, no education in pharmacology, immunology, infectious spread of diseases, health planning, to look backwards and second guess. Yah you are quite the expert second guessing. By the way what makes your statement so irresponsible is you are well aware of the actual death rates in New York and not only death rates but numbers of citizens who after catching Covid 19 became extremely ill and today have permanent disabilities. You were not in the overwhelmed hospitals coping with the patients. You were not getting exposed to Covid 19 as a firefighter, police officer, paramedic, taxi driver, bus driver, front line worker. As for your comment on death rates in New York, if the city was NOT shut down are you arguing the amount of deaths would have increased anyways? If that is your argument provide data. You can't-it doesn't exist. You make baseless comments where you do not understand the cause and relation between what was done to control Covid 19 and prevent people dying. You deliberately ignore all data that shows the beneficial relation between closures and cutting the death and disability rates.

In regards to the third paragraphs where you make the sweeping baseless statement Covid 19 vaccines were useless, anyone can find the abundance of neutral scientific data showing its purpose and usefulness and the fact you make such a statement with zero data only shows you pass of subjective opinion as fact because you can't support your opinion with any objective data.

In regards to your comment about Texas seeing lower death rates from Covid 19, where is your data this was because people were out being exposed to Covid 19 and passing it on.

Finally numerous times people have provided data to you and other "experts" that clearly show people receiving COVID-19 vaccines were and continue to be less likely to die from COVID-19 and its complications.

You engage in deliberate misrepresentation of the actual data on the relation been vaccines and the control of Covid 19.

As for death rates, you and others were told countless times, the death rates you think you are an expert on are based on anyone who died who also had Covid 19 and not necessarily from Covid 19 or complications of the virus because the data on death rates did not differentiate.

Time and time again on this thread data showing the adverse effects from the vaccine and its co-relation to actual deaths it caused did not cause significant reason to outweigh using it.

People like you simply return to this and other forums recirculating unsubstantiated falsehoods. You have no clue how to back your comments up and it shows.

Go to: www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
and stop misrepresenting death rates. In all of New York as of March 2023 this year there were 397 deaths. You have no clue what the population of New York State is and what percentage those deaths are of the entire population. How about you go check before you shoot off at the mouth about the role the vaccine has had in this relatively low rate.

Here is a graph that vividly shows the actual decline in Covid rates in New York that shows you misrepresent: https://www.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-totals.page

Here is the latest data from New York on Covid 19 and I again caution people that people like you spread false, baseless, information or deliberately misrepresented info.

By the way since you initiated the false and misleading info and referred to Texas how about you actually look at their Covid 19 death rates and stop making unsubstantiated references:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/texas-covid-cases.html

 

What freedoms were taken away?

 

Lol do not hold your breath. My favourite is his second hand rendition of what he thinks my idiot Prime Minister said. Uh yah that made his responses credible.

All the Western European nations, the US, Canada worked closely and in unison helping each other. So on that one issue of Covid 19, its meaningless to throw him indirect piss at hm. He's a poo poo head for many other reasons but he had very little to do with the actual health approaches Canada followed. He was just a figurehead reading scripts.

 

Like this guy...

 

Nice dodge LM. No study of CFR or IFR for you! I expected that would be the case.

 

I'm not the one who was too busy to respond.