Muhammad Ali - "It's nature to want to be with your own (race)"

Why post a character who is no longer relevant to try and prove a point? I mean weren't there clips from the last 10 yrs or so you could have found? I'm just asking.

I guess I'd like to know the motive behind posting it. Is it to say; look, even the negroes want to be seperated, so us white seperatists aren't crazy afterall? One man(black or white) does not speak for an entire race.

I remember finger painting when I was a little girl. The teachers would tell us what colors to mix to make yellow, green, red, etc. It was so much fun and so cool to see the colors change. Brew I'm guessing you never mixed the colors b/c you wanted the paints to remain a solid color? Sorry I just went down memory lane for some reason.

 

well that settles it, I mean if a celebrity that spent years getting paid to be punched in the head makes an opinion it obviously must be a valid one.

 

I was talking about brewsky

 

We are the kings of the moon. We are the kings of technology and a giant chunk of human progress. What have you blacks done? Peanut butter? Why were whites creating tools and technology to navigate the globe while people in Africa were stuck in the cave man days? Why were there no great black philosophers in history? No great black mathematicians?

I see, so it's fine to use the word "cracker", but the N-word isn't. Nice double standard. Can you at least acknowledge your own racism? Or are you going to pretend you're not a racist?

 

Why is he no longer relevant? He's a revered pop icon, especially among blacks. I highlighted this video to showcase the hypocrisy and double standards inherent in leftists as well as fans of multiracial societies. If a white guy was saying these things, he'd be condemned immediately as a racist. Ali, or any other black guy says it, though, and it's justifiable as J0NAH explained.

The truth is many blacks feel this way, and nobody is actively condemning them for their beliefs. They also have a genetic advantage that produces black children, no matter who they mate with. Unfortunately white people aren't that lucky. There's nothing wrong with whites wanting to remain separate to preserve the future of their race. Explain to me why that is wrong.

I'm sure this sounded like a relevant thing to post in your head, but it didn't work out too well.

 

---Yeah. That is clearly racist. I'd imagine if a black fist superimposed over Africa, encircled by the words N***** Power was posted on this site it wouldn't be received well.

 

The point is;

The fact that you cited a video clip from 30 yrs ago from a black man (yes that's all you see him as, a black man) tells me that you couldn't find anything from TODAY'S ERA. Nobody's commenting on it b/c....um it's not CURRENT news. If he would have came out and said that today, whites along with blacks would likely disagree.

Maybe you only think judgment happens more with whites (such as yourself), b/c that's all you and your crew do, is talk about race issues and how mixing the races is evil. White seperatists outnumber any other seperatist group on this site, so what do you expect?? As far as I know we don't have SEVERAL blacks posting how the races should stay seperated. If a bunch of blacks came over here from a racist site and posted the vitriol some of you post they would be met with resistance also. So what was the point you were trying to make again?

 

Thank you.

Your argument is only hanging onto reality by a thin thread. My point was that whites, as a group, have done much more to advance human civilization and progress than blacks, as a group. Since I am white, I have pride in my heritage, like you said. Blacks are encouraged to have pride in themselves, and nobody gets down on them for being proud. However, with whites, we are supposed to go through life feeling guilty and we are not allowed to be proud of ourselves, despite having done more, without being called an evil racist. I think this is wrong.

I could list out my many accomplishments here for you to judge them, but that ultimately would serve no real point. I haven't changed the world like Isaac Newton has, if that's the point you are trying to make. That really has nothing to do with my argument, however.

I never said they did. You are arguing strawmen for some reason.

Welcome to one of the many double standards.

 

It's not current news, which is why I didn't post it in the "current news" section of the site.

Ali is still alive. Has he ever retracted these statements? Has he done or said anything to make you think he no longer feels this way? If not, I'll assume he still believes this today. Even if he didn't, so what? There are other blacks who feel the same way he does. Look up the lyrics to Ice Cube's "Cave B****" where he mocks white women who try to get with black guys, and expresses a pride in knowing he is not a black man who goes outside of his race for white women. I could find more examples as well, but I believe Ali is plenty relevant to this discussion. Why don't you address the point instead of trying to dismiss the source?

My point is simple, I think that in order to preserve the white race and make sure there are white people in the future, they should be separated from other races and not mix. White people have specific traits unique to their race and these will be lost over time if intermixing becomes the norm. That's it. Whites are not like other races whereby they can make white children no matter who they breed with.

There have been several black posters here (as well as other races) who have cheered on the extinction of the white race. How is that not "evil"? Do I, or any other pro-white poster on this forum call for the extinction of the black race, or any other race? I haven't seen any. I certainly don't support that idea. I simply don't want to see my race wiped out, and that is exactly what is happening.

 

I don't hang out here all that often. When I get bored or have downtime, I'll take a peek-see in here. Perhaps this is the reason why I haven't seen other non-white groups posting similar to what Ali is saying. So would it make you feel better if we all came down on ALI as hard as others come down on you? Would that make you feel that things are more ''even''? We can only converse/debate/discuss with real live people who post on forums such as this. WE can't debate what's not there.

I do have some questions, all snarkiness aside. Does stuff like this keep you up at night? Does the sight of an interracial couple bring a tear to your eye? I'm just trying to gauge how much mental and emotional energy you put into these thoughts. Does this whole race thing consume 90% of your thoughts? It's not everyday I get to ask a racist (please tell me if you'd rather be called ''seperatist'', I can't keep up with proper labels anymore) these questions so I'm genuinely curious.

 

---Double standards suck, but I've been guilty of applying them from time to time.

 

You don't have to be separate, you just have to make more babies, what are you afraid of? Get to work.

 

I noticed you haven't addressed anything I've posted. That's very telling. And you can condemn Ali's remarks all you want, if that's how you really feel? I believe that him being black gives him a free pass in your book, but you're free to prove me wrong.

Again, you choose to deflect instead of addressing my post. Very telling, indeed.

 

LOL... No they wouldn't... who are you trying to kid???

I think I remember you saying that you're black in a post awhile back... if you truly believe what you just posted then you obviously don't spend a lot of time around your own kind. The vast majority of blacks would strongly agree with what Muhammad Ali says and if you don't believe me, take a trip into the ghetto and ask them.

Infact, I have a safer idea for you. Start a topic on a black forum like... I don't know... Topix- African American Forum... and ask the question, "If White people suddenly disappeared from the world, would you care?" You'll be shocked by the responses... if you truly believe what you just typed. Which I doubt anyway.

 

Great video!

That is Ali in his prime, how i want to remember the king of boxing.

The era of pugalism when boxers could speak their minds. Before Tysons and 7 foot russians.

 

ROFL- Pray tell how I can condemn Ali, and give him a free pass at the same time? Can't wait to hear the answer to this one. As far as answering your question(which the only one you asked directly was why segregation is wrong), this is how I see it.

I can't tell a depressed person that the way they isolate themselves from everyone is wrong, b/c they may not be strong enough mentally and emotionally to accept it. Misery loves company.

I can't approach a chronic pessimistic person and tell them their views are wrong, b/c I'm not put on this earth to tell someone their ''opinion'' is wrong. They have to find out on their own.

Certain situations really don't need explanations. We don't have to go into great detail as to why pedophilia is wrong. It's common sense and if you have to ask why, then there's no reason wasting my breath on someone who lacks basic common sense. Hint.

I put extreme racists in the same category I put those who are chronically/clinically depressed. I feel sorry for them. It must be hell!

 

This is from when he was a young man and into the whole nation of Islam thing. I believe in later years he has changed his thoughts on matters like this. I believe also at this time he used to call white people devils and I know he has also said he was wrong on that as well in recent times. Why even bother posting up youtube videos from decades ago to try and prove what people think? Another sham racist thread.

 

I think wanting to be with your race solely because of looks is ignorant and silly. Having people around you that share the same values and interests makes a lot more sense. My crew is basically a melting pot, blacks, whites, asians and latinos, and we get along wonderfully. Never a mention of race, and it's never been awkward.

I honestly believe the race problem is still an issue at all because of racist government institutions, and the mainstream media.

 

Reading comprehension apparently isn't a strength of yours. I said you could condemn Ali's comments, if you really disagreed with what he has to say. You haven't done so, and I believe it is because he is a black man.

More deflection. Let's backtrack a bit. Here is what I said

Your argument is that Ali's comments are no longer relevant because this video is old. Has he ever retracted these statements? If not, why is his views no longer relevant? What about Ice Cube who has the same views according to his song "Cave B****"? What about many other black men who are disgusted when they see black men dating outside of their race? Are you going to condemn them or is your condemnation only reserved for white people?

I think it's wrong that the extinction of the white race is cheered on by so many people. What other race would allow this genocidal attitude to be directed at them?

 

Feel free to prove any of what you just said. Sounds like a lot of guess work, to me.

And how is this a racist thread, by the way? Explain in specifics, please.

 

I have seen interviews with him later in life where he discusses what he said when he was into the nation of Islam and in the interviews he has changed his mind. What you fail to understand is what people say when they are young has generally changed when they get older,well that applies to most people who grow up and learn. You are trying to portray Ali as something he is not but posting up a video from 30 years ago. Now you try and prove your point,get an Ali video from the last 10 years where he is saying what he was 30 years ago. You cannot.

One more thing. What Ali thought in his young life about race was a product of his environment. This is a guy who won a Gold medal at the Olympics but when he came home he could not go into a cafe to eat as it was whites only. If you are coming from some apartheid state then what would you expect coloured people to feel like? The problem here was not what Ali said but the culture of racist America and if you cannot see that then you are one of them.

 

OK, LOL, this will be my last post to you in this thread since you are obviously not all there, and this mindless entertainment is getting old. Here are YOUR very own words as I previously quoted. You can't change quoted text, yet you re-wrote what you did NOT say.


''That's very telling. And you can condemn Ali's remarks all you want, if that's how you really feel''

 

Again, feel free to prove any of this. I supplied a video where Ali discusses his views. If you have some evidence beyond "I saw something once", let's see it. Otherwise, I'm going to believe that Ali still feels this way about race mixing.

Not every black felt the way Ali felt, despite having similar experiences with discrimination. Care to explain that discrepancy? Or are you just trying to justify Ali's racist views? Dance, dance.

 

I can only hope you are being intentionally obtuse at this point, because otherwise you are embarrassing yourself.

Here is what you said

I said you could condemn Ali if that is how you feel. The fact that you are not doing so is very telling.

 

You supplied a video from more than 30 years ago.Duh!!! They do not represent the mans views today. I asked you to find a more recent video but you cannot. Ali was parroting the teachings of the nation of islam and he later dumped them because he did not feel what they were saying was right in 1975.