Muslims integration fail

This graph depicts the rate of terrorism in France, the overall rate is still relatively low


http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/Results.aspx?search=France&sa.x=0&sa.y=0&sa=Search

 

Integration was never the goal.

The goal is invasion.

 

If Muslims did more to stop their own terrorism, heck, if they did anything to stop their own terrorism, it would be more difficult to blame them.

 

Because it's the number of attacks, not victims. They were a lot of victims in the 50s-60s during the civil war in Algeria. You can't compare corsican terrorism too islamic one. Corsican one did victims, but he was never systematic slaughter like muslim fundamentalists did.

 

The Islamic societal structure is such that integrating with outsiders is really not an option.

Yeah. The problem with the cartoon is that it's kind of hard to separate the Muslim shooter from Islam when he goes in shouting "Allahu Akbar!", and when the silence coming from the Islamic leadership is deafening.

It certainly feels that way, doesn't it?

 

Because of much greater intelligence and police efforts and massive expense relative to previous decades, not because of some increase in 'moderates'.

 

Ah, the old condemnology rationale. If you didn't condemn the attack then you're partially responsible. I'll play that game.. I'm going to provide a full list of Muslim leaders who condemned the Paris attacks of November 2015 that killed around 100 people, and then you list me all the white leaders who condemned the Norwegian white nationalist attack of July 2011 that killed around 100 people. If you fail, then all white people in the world (including myself) are held partially responsible.. that's how this works, right?

I'm being facetious of course, you're not responsible for something horrendous because you didn't make a public statement condemning the act. If someone of your demographic went to a mosque and killed all the men, women, and children inside, I would assume you do not condone such a thing, unless you as an individual did something to make me believe you support such a thing. You haven't given any reason to believe such a thing though, you have only given me reason to believe that you believe that Muslims are partially responsible for attacks they were not a part of, if they did not do enough to condemn said attack. I do not agree with that sentiment, but that's okay, we can disagree and have an informal debate about our disagreement.

I can say that I do have a lot of issues with the leadership of many of the Muslim countries across the world, but I also do not hold the Muslim family down the street to my house responsible, I figure families like them came to the US to get away from such places. However, I must disagree with you when you say that these leaders do not condemn the terrorist attacks done by loyalists to terrorist organizations like ISIS. This war against terrorism is one that they are fighting as well, and just like their western allies, they have experienced their own civilians being slaughtered by these loyalists of ISIS. In fact the vast majority of the people who have fallen victim to ISIS have been middle eastern Muslims. Particularly the Muslims who are of the Kurdish ethnic group, and/or Shia faith.. but this isn't to undermine the threat to Christians in the regions that have been under ISIS control, these peoples' communities are being completely destroyed, to the point where they are left with no other choice than to flee, and maybe never return. Those who have not fled are being removed from the region by extermination.. that is to say, they are being killed in mass numbers to the point where there are little to none left. This is happening, but again they are not the only ones, virtually every Muslim country in the surrounding area is at war with ISIS, and the civilians of these countries are paying the price, but also, ISIS is exterminating many of the ethnic and religious minorities of the areas they have gained control of, particularly the Kurds and Shia Muslims.

So while I can agree with you that there are serious issues going on within the leadership of these Muslim countries, I must disagree with you when you claim they say nothing to condemn the attacks committed by religious extremists. These Muslim countries are victims of the very same extremist groups who are attacking us, and they in fact make up the majority of those who have fallen to these terrorist attacks.

Here are some of the Muslim leaders who spoke up and condemned the terrorists who attacked Paris. I can also say they're doing a lot more than just condemning ISIS, they are fighting them with military force.

The president of Indonesia
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/11/14/jokowi-condemns-paris-attacks.html

The president of Turkey
http://beta.trtworld.com/turkey/turkish-president-condemns-paris-attacks-11076

The Prime Minister of Pakistan
http://www.timescolonist.com/the-latest-germany-s-top-security-official-downplays-significance-of-aachen-arrests-1.2112592

The president of Afghanistan
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/14/c_134815967.htm

The Prime Minister of Qatar
http://www.qna.org.qa/en-us/News/15111415470024/HE-Prime-Minister-Sends-Condolences-to-President-of-France

The president of Egypt
http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/egypt-s-sisi-condemns-paris-attacks-115111400066_1.html

The president of Kazakhstan
http://tass.ru/en/world/836403

The king of Jordan
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/24a69ebf4db64da088455cca364ed8e8/paris-attacks-reaction-israel-condemns-violence

The president of Albania
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-11/15/c_134816876.htm

The president of Algeria
http://news.yahoo.com/algerias-bouteflika-denounces-paris-attacks-182836952.html

The president of Azerbaijan
http://www.azernews.az/azerbaijan/89799.html

The president of Bangladesh
http://www.india.com/news/world/ban...m-sheikh-hasina-condemn-paris-attacks-705494/

The president of Kosovo
http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/world-leaders-express-shock-over-paris-attacks/473097

The Prime Minister of Kuwait
http://www.timeskuwait.com/Times_Kuwait-condemns-Paris-attack-expresses-solidarity-with-France

The president of Kyrgyzstan
http://akipress.com/news:568432

The president of Maldives
http://www.haveeru.com.mv/president_yamin/63926

The king of Morocco
http://www.standardnewswire.com/news/2861910814.html

The Sultan of Ohman
http://www.timesofoman.com/article/71688/Oman/Government/Paris-attacks:-His-Majesty-Sultan-Qaboos-bin-Said-sends-condolences-to-France

The president of Palestine
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Abbas-condemns-Paris-attacks-expresses-solidarity-with-French-people-433015

The president of Senegal
http://www.cameroonweb.com/CameroonHomePage/NewsArchive/Paris-Attacks-Africa-expresses-solidarity-344236

The Sudan government and opposition
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article57049

The president of Tajikistan
http://www.khovar.tj/eng/content/cis-leaders-condemned-terrorist-attacks-paris

The president of Tunisia
http://accesswdun.com/article/2015/11/349723

The president of the United Arab Emirates
http://www.emirates247.com/news/emirates/uae-confirms-support-to-france-2015-11-15-1.610428

The president of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic
http://www.spsrasd.info/en/content/president-republic-condemns-heinous-terrorist-attacks-perpetrated-paris

The president of Iran
http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-attacks-live-updates/leader-of-iran-condemns-attacks-postpones-european-trip/

The king of Saudi Arabia
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/11/17/Saudi-king-condemns-Paris-attacks-in-meeting-with-French-FM-.html

 

I didn't say there was an increase in moderates, I said in most developed countries the risk of terrorism is already low, and that the threat of Islamic terrorism is even lower. Most terrorist attacks in Europe and the US are not Islamic, in fact 73% of all deadly terrorist attacks in the US since the war on terror began have come from far right wing extremists
https://www.cato.org/blog/gao-weigh...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Around 500 people have been killed by terrorists in the US since the war on terror was first formally declared, out of which fewer than 100 have been killed in the US by Islamic extremists. Meanwhile, over 150,000 people have been murdered (unrelated to terrorism) in the US in that same period of time. This isn't to say that terrorism isn't a threat, or that a terrorist organization essentially having their own country isn't a serious problem, but the sky isn't falling in the west. Islamic terrorism is not the primary terrorist threat in the US, and terrorism in general is not the biggest threat to American lives. Not by a long shot

 

My apologies for not making myself clear. Yes, the civilian/governmental leadership has spoken out against these atrocities, and yes, the Muslim countries have taken the brunt of the ISIS attacks. No, what I was trying to say is that very little condemnation has come forth from the Imams. There has been some, yes, but not nearly what folks would expect to see. That's what I meant when I said "the silence coming from the Islamic leadership". Those who are leaders in and speak for the faith should be taking responsibility for use of violence in some twisted interpretation of the writings by groups like ISIS. Islamic leaders should be correcting people who are using the faith to justify these abhorrent activities. To me, an Imam who remains silent on the subject is giving tacit approval through his silence. That is what I meant.