My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell Releases Absurd Conspiracy Infomercial

They are all up for discussion along with

"They called on states to increase voter ID requirements; to be leery of mail-in voting; to halt ballot harvesting; to maintain voter lists, in part to ensure dead people are promptly removed from them; to allow election observers to monitor ballot counting; and to make sure voting machines are working properly. "
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/11...uld-have-averted-problems-with-2020-election/

if we can have a fair commission.

 

I'm all for all of that myself *.. the last 2 on your list were especially handled during this past election...

* Except for the mail-in voting, which 5 states are so "leery" of that this is their primary method of voting... although watching 2020 ensures I'll never vote by mail myself...

More commissions aren't the answer since commissions cannot implement anything... What you need are federal level rules for federal elections...

 

And we saw lots of problems in lots of states with mail in voting that was thrown together and rules being changed and ballots not secured and that all needs to be addressed and reccomendations. I've been calling for it since before the election and afterwords but the normal response is "Biden won just get over it" which has nothing to do with it. If Trump had won I'd be calling for the same. And you are correct that feds can't force it on to the states but hopefully the states would cooperate this time since Trump isn't President anymore and give the recommendations serious consideration. We are not a one size fits all each state could then adjust their own systems as they see fit. It should be joint congress committee with equal part representation and jointly agreed on not members of Congress to head up the investigative and reporting to the states and the federal their findings.

 

This is just simply not true. I don't know why you aren't telling the truth here. Either you are misinformed at best, or at worst, trying to spread dishonest information.


And for the record, Mike Lindell is an idiot, and so is anyone who believes in the drivel he put forth. And his pillows suck.

 

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Who should we believe? You or the SCOTUS?

"It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history ... Indiana’s own experience with fraudulent voting in the 2003 Democratic primary for East Chicago Mayor[Footnote 13]—though perpetrated using absentee ballots and not in-person fraud—demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."
Crawford v. Marion County Election Bd., 553 U.S. 181 (200 (emphasis mine)

When elections really are free and fair Americans will have confidence in the results.
Until then ....

 

Focus on the inconvenient truth. It will only hurt for a minute.

"It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history ... not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."
Crawford v. Marion County Election Bd., 553 U.S. 181 (200 (emphasis mine)

 

The Carter/Baker report told the truth.
Too inconvenient for political class to accept. A new commission is not likely accomplish anything more.

 

Rahl's source, The Heritage Foundation, was able to easily document 1300 cases of vote fraud over 25 years, and they admit that their research was not very thorough. Over 50 cases of vote fraud a year is massive vote fraud.

Which is why I pointed out a few days before the last election that neither side, upon losing" should be expected to accept the results of the election. Why should they?

 

Talk about unsupported "drivel"!
Let's see this "proof" you say exists.

 

Truer words were never spoken.

2 years (or maybe even 4 years) from now, I have no doubt that this thread will STILL be at the Top of Page One.

It will never die, as long as any "Last Word" Guy who repetitively insists that "2+2=5", keeps citing Ancient Copypasta (based on "fraud" from a Local Dogatcher Election from decades ago) that is being held out as "proof" that "massive fraud" existed in 2020.

My message to those "Last Word" Guys:
The Election is over, time to move on.

That said, in 2024, I will still be expecting this thread to be up to the Maximum Allowable Pages (filled with tales of how 2 "fraudulent" votes decided the 1966 Podunk Dogcatcher Election).

^And, how that Local Podunk Election (from 6 Decades Ago) Proves (conclusively) the Completely Discredited (and Debunked) Assertion that there was "Massive Fraud in 2020".

As predictable as the Sunrise.

Tl;Dr--"Last Word" Guys (who truly believe that "2+2=5") will never run out of warmed-over copypasta to bump this thread with.

It is what it is.:smh:

 

It could make it more public and expose the threat the integrity of our elections face and it does NOT require MASSIVE fraud. Just a little bit can change the outcome of an election.

 

Yes, one vote can determine an election. Many elections have been won with less than a 20 vote margin.
Cong. Mariannette Miller-Meeks has apparently won with just a 6 vote advantage.
Vote fraud matters.

 

If there was "a great deal of evidence of massive fraud " in the 2020 election why was it never presented.

So far three we'll know people with at best shaky reputations have falsely charged that there was massive fraud and present nonevidence.

1- The former POTUS
2- The Pillow Man who by the was or is a "recovering cocaine addict, and crack cocaine addict and an alchoholic
3- Guilianini who filed tens of law suits alleging irregularities that were all dismissed or not even considered by the courts. When Giuliani was asked by judges if he was alleging election fraud in the suits the gebonee Giuliani said "No".

For the 6,666,666th time no thete has never been any massive fraud ess
Ecjally during the 2020 election.

 

Election fraud has been common in the US. Even the SCOTUS has acknowledged that rather obvious fact. Why would 2030 be an exception?

"It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history ... not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."
Crawford v. Marion County Election Bd., 553 U.S. 181 (200 (emphasis mine)

So far, not one full due process hearing into the integrity of the election. I wonder why?

 

One or two cases here or there since

What did I say? I said there was no massive fraud. So you ignore that and try to supplant my statement that there was no widespread or massive election fraud and trying to deflect with that " election fraud is common in the US. This is the same topic we have talked about since before the 2020 election Why? Because one of the two candidates for POTUS Said repeatedly before the election that if he loses it will be because the election was fixed. AKA Fraud. He lost fair and square.
No evidence of election was presented to either the courts or to Congress or to the DOJ. In fact the AG of the US said no widespread fraud.

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

There was no wipespread fraud and if there was a few rare cases there WAS NO IMPACT on the election results. What does that mean? It means that the few isolated cars report in the media had NO EFFECT ON THE RESULTS.

You ask why not one process hearing on the election. Simple there was no widespread fraud and the election results of a few isolated reported irregularities did not affect the election results.

You still say why no process hearing? Simple no need to have hearings if there is no problem affecting the election results.

Let me give you an example from another issue. Police have accident investigation units. So you are asking why has the Accident Investigation unit not investigated any accidents on I84 between the NY border and Danbury CT between . Nov. 1, 2020 and Dec 31, 2020? You seem to claim that there was a cover up in play.hearing
I answer there were no accident investigations because there where no accidents on that stretch of road during that time frame.

So you see there is no need to have due process hearings because there were no widespread election fraud and the election was not impacted. Those who want a process hearing when there is no reason to investigate must want a witch hunt. You must agree with me I am sure.

 

It is not a sincere argument.

The entire right wing is just one big gaslighting operation now.

 

You are looking more and more correct. I was deluding myself thinking that it was only the extremists RW Anuses but it has become painfully obvious that it is an extremely high percentage of "Trumpizzian Waste Products" who are either gasslighting or are inhaling the gas..

 

No one will dispute that there can be and have been isolated cases of election fraud or irregularities over the years. That is not what nor the Trumpocity or his followers are bringing up the issue of election fraud.
The Trumpocity obviously initiated the "big lie" of election even before the election when he infoumously said that if he does not win it will mean that there was fraud / it was fixed. Then the big came and then WE THE PEOPLE had spoken and Biden won. The Trumpocity went into the bubble of Delusion of the illusion that he "won" and furthered this "big lie" that he The Trumpocity won in a "landslide".

The only landslide that happened was that his fans, followers, synchophants jumped on board and repeated and are repeating the " big lie" that the Trumpocity told and still is telling.

If there are people who honestly have documentation, data, or real corroborated evidence that large scale mail in voting needs tightening up well present it and get it to Congress and let Congress propose guidelines to the 50 states ( and D.C.) to update election laws and processes. That is the way honest patriotic good Americans get things changed.

Sadly Trumpissian fans chose the dishonest approach of thevTrumpocity and have embraced Trumpocity's "big lie".

 

The Heritage Foundation study cited on this thread as proof that massive vote fraud is not common discovered massive vote fraud. 1300 cases resulting in convictions over 25 years - over 50 cases a year, and they admit that their investigation was far from comprehensive.

"It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history ... not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."
Crawford v. Marion County Election Bd., 553 U.S. 181 (200 (emphasis mine)

Given that it is very easy to prevent the kind of election fraud that is common in the US it is fair to conclude that our corrupt bipartisan ruling political class has no real interest free and fair elections or the democratic process.

The only real question left is this:

Would American citizens be justified if they resorted to violence to correct the results of what appears to have been the rigged popular election of Harris/Biden?

Answer: No, and for rather obvious reasons.

 

So far there has been no public full due process hearing to confirm the integrity of the election of Harris/Biden.
Conclusion: the election was almost certainly rigged.

 

That is not massive and not widespread. Not denying that here and there some fraud exists just like there is some fraud existing In the VA Disability process.

Again the issue surfaced when the Trumpocity claimed that the election was fixed even before the election and that after the election he claimed that he actually won in a landslide but due to fraud the election was stolen.
So now Trumpocity supporters want us to conduct an investigation of our entire election system in search of non existant widespread and massive fraud.
The Trumpocity said that mail in voting is fraudulent so he urged his supporters to not engage in mail in voting but to only do in person voting. Biden asked his supporters to vote whichever way is best for them. The majority of mail in voters were Biden supporters and the majority of in person voters voted Trump except for the heavy ademocratic areas. Ail in ballots are opened by hand ( but not recorded! and counted first by hand then run trough the tabulator. The hand counts and the machine counts are compared and only rarely kicked out by the machine but there us a provision to count the luck outs if the ballot is valid.

No Surprise mail in results got reported last after the in person ballots got counted and reported. Ail in votes were heavier for Biden and in person votes went for Trump. The suburbs were close but except for the extreme Trump states Biden won by a slight margin.

There was no fraud and the battleground states of Az. Ga, Pa, Mi, Wi went slightly Biden.
Biden won no fraud.

Should we be on alert for election fraud ? Of course! Should we review the EC process and modernize it? I think so.

Should we take Trumpocity's word for it and go on a witch hunt and search for nonexistant assist and widespread fraud? No!

 

1. The Heritage Foundation study cited on this thread by a Trump hater revealed that there have been over 50 documented cases of voter fraud every year for 25 years. That is "massive" voter fraud.
2. No one knows the full extent of election fraud in the US. Most crimes are never exposed.
3. Whenever election fraud is possible voters should assume that it is massive - for obvious reasons.

Election fraud can be prevented, but only if the ruling political class wants to stop rigging elections.

 

In the insurance industry we have a way of looking at claim. statistics. We have the Frequency vs Severity test. What you describe 50 documented cases in 25 years is a Frequency test. What is missing is the severity factor. To pas the severity Test in election fraud scenarios the case would have had to affected who won.

As regards the 2020!POTUS election the attempted fraud is two cases in PA both having two votes potential. The sum total of votes being fraudulently recorded is O, as in ZERO, as in ZERO.

One case a Trump supporter tried to vote for his DEAD mother and DEAD mother in law. Another case a Trump fan tried to vote forvYRIMP using his dead wives name.

You seem you failed to present a viable or true frequechy orvseverity of voter fraud argument.

Case is now closed since I am tired of posting truthful, honest, logical, and reasoned facts proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was no massive or frequent fraud that would have caused any impact on the 2020 POTUS election.
As I said ASE CLOSED,