National Debt by Year Compared to GDP and Major Events

Wow. Finally.

 

Many departments had auxiliary budgets that kept them going. Plus trump keeps identifying more and more employees that are mandatory and having to work without pay. Why didn’t trump and the cons cut government when they had complete control?
Another campaign lie.

Republicans did when Obama was president.
It was actually a trump campaign promise.

I’m sure many people care that we are alienating our allies.
Especially our allies, hopefully their memory is as short as the average American voter.


One word....... “Integrity”

 

'It is estimated". That tells you all you need to know. Two years into the Presidency there is full employment, more manufacturing jobs and fewer people on welfare and food stamps. The problem is the entitlement programs, largely created and encouraged by the Democrats. Trump, like previous Presidents, has to play the hand he's been dealt, and he's doing a helluva job with the cards he has.

 

?? I never disputed it.

So it’s ok for you to lie by omission but not others? Kinda hipocritical to selectively edit my posts so you can avoid acknowledging that which conflicts with your narrative, don’t you think?

 

You sure took a long time to say it,.

I omitted - and more importantly, mis-represented - nothing.

 

5 whole posts in the same page is a 'long time' for you? You realize we didnt' start out on this particular avenue of the topic right?

Sure you did. You omitted half my post. Because you can't seem to stomach (or at least acknowledge) the fact that the Right has a real issue as well as the left.

I've admitted that the left lied about their role in the extension of the bush tax cuts. Can you do the same for the right? Or are you a partisan sports-team type of political supporter?

 

I wonder if the left will start writing and calling their Congress people to take on the biggest drivers of national debt....medicare and medicaid? These programs need massive reform in order to save us from going off the debt cliff.

 

The half that was irrelevant to the fact that The Obama extended Bush's Tax Cuts for the Rich, sure.

The right didn't willfully mal-characterize the tax cuts.

 

These programs buy votes for Democrats, so... no.

 

Typical Party before Country

 

Partei uber alles.

 

Your pretty myopic it seems eh? Nothing In politics happens in a vacuum. And whats with the 'The' in front of Obama? Last I checked, Obama is a last name, not a title.....

ROFL. Yes they absolutely did. Extending the tax cuts for the Rich was unnessesary. The very fact that the Republicans would have forced a shutdown over that fact shows that they too lied about the necessity of extending them for the rich.

That you can't seem to admit that shows your partisan nature. Take some responsibility.

 

He's The Secular Messiah.

This is a matter of your opinion, not a fact.
The mal-characterization of the tax cuts by the left, as you agreed, IS a fact.
The right, by virtue of the fact it said the tax cut was for everyone that paid federal income tax, did not mal-characterize the cuts.

 

..uh huh. News to me.
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The mis-characterization by the right wasn't who they were for. It was their necessity for the rich. I've said this repeatedly. Not sure how your not understanding that fact.

 

Not to Him.​

Again - this is your opinion, not fact - the left mal-characterized FACTS, as you agreed.

 

Really? I've never heard him characterize himself as such. Link?

It is an absolute fact that the rich did not need the tax cuts extended for them. If your making over 250K a year. You didn't need them. That is a fact. Not my opinion.

 

You aren't aware of the fact He campaigned on saving the country from the maleficence of the Bush administration?
You aren't aware of the fact He saw everything He did as a means to that end?

No. This is an opinion. You cannot prove your statement to be a fact.
The left mal-characterized FACTS, as you agreed - the right did not.

 

So he didn't characterize himself as such. Good to know.

And every campaign for that Office (from the opposing Party) is based on 'I'm gonna clean up what the last guy did because he did it wrong'. Trump did the same thing. Doesn't make them 'saviors'.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree, because I see that as a fact.

 

Fake News Horseshit. The war wasn't "hidden off the books". That's a flat out lie.

 

i think He is a saviour because He criticises both His party and the other, so He is not traditional in the traditional sense of tradition

 

Of course you do.

 

That is a unique thing in US Partisan Politics. Though he definitely didn't do as much while President. I think he did a lot of good on the domestic front, but his Foreign policy (while supported by his domestic goals) was very off based. Increased Drone strikes (so as to decrease soldier deaths) which only makes things worse in that region, supporting the removal of Gaddhafi, especially when the perfect example of why that's a bad idea in removing Saddam was there for him to learn from (vacuums in the middle east are worse then iron fisted dictators), Syria, the Ukraine...etc...etc.

Well. I said it, repeatedly in this thread. So yes, of course I do.

 

Yes, we have a debt issue, because neither of the two parties are interested in being fiscally conservative.

The problem is, we put the wolf in charge of the hen house.

Both parties want ever increasing control, and that costs money. Until the people demand a third party that truly desires to cut government nothing will change.

 

Yes it's a lie. The left didn't advocate tax cuts for the rich. It's the right that did and does.

 

It's your job to support your claims, especially when asked to do so.