Nature is the one, true God...

It is my believe that Nature itself is the basis of all religion, and that they are all misconceptions of Nature, and it's purpose. But, not only that, but that Nature is a living entity that actively shapes our universe. Everything that is attributed to "gods", can be attributed to Nature. It is all knowing, all powerful, and eternal. Nature is the one thing in this universe that will never die, and has always been. Natural forces created the Universe. Natural forces keep us alive and nurture us. Natural forces end our lives, and decompose our bodies to become new life in the form of grass.

All forces in the Universe.....Gravity, Friction, Light, etc......They are all part of Nature.

Nature is has a form of reincarnation.......When we die, our bodies decay and our nutrients are taken into the earth to become new grass. Animals eat that grass. Matter can not be destroyed, only changed. The matter that was our bodies becomes part of a new life, and we live in as part of that life.







I would like to point out, that I DO follow the teachings of Christ, but not as a religion. I follow them as a moral philosophy, just as Thomas Jefferson did. You should read his book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
It follows Christ as a man, and shows his moral teachings without looking into his "divine nature". Jefferson took out all Miracles, and other supernatural aspects of the stories and focused completely on the ethics and morals that Jesus taught.

 

just drop the "god" part and you may have something.

 

How is nature all knowing?

 

From the DNA that makes up animals, to the processes that create stars and other things throughout the universe, it is all part of nature. Nature knows how to put it in place.

 

I would not say we are the matter of our body - we are more like a flow of energy passing this very well organized piece of matter we are calling "body". I could write my message here for example in stone or in wood or on paper. I could be a kind of Octopus with eight tentacles - or an extraterrestrian - or an angel - but I am a human being and I'm writing this message with light on your monitor with the help of lots of other human beings - but I am not your monitor and your monitor is not I. Nevertheless you can read what the information who is "I" tells "you". From my point if view it's more a wonder that this all works as if it has something concrete to do with an intention of the nature. I would say I am not only nature or following natural laws. I have the feeling I could not think and speak in such ways without an anchor of me in god. Perhaps I could call this anchor "soul".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOQSgRJN9c

 

OP the universe is not permanent, one day it will "die" .
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Well, religious people have omitted to define "god", so for any purposes that we can phrase in English, "god" is just a sticker we can slap on anything we want.

 

Firstly, thank you for the link to the Jefferson Bible, heard of it, never realised what it was but now I shall go and find out a bit more.

Secondly, are you merely transposing the word "Nature" for "God" and thereby sidestepping the usual arguments about God's existence? If so then that becomes mere semantics.

I think we all know that nature-worship was the original religion. I suppose it would have been fairly basic during the earliest stages of the development of homo sapiens but its existence probably marks us out from the other animals on the planet. Somehow homo sapiens had a brain that evolved so be able to wonder and speculate and inquire. That is the earliest separation of humans from other animals. Now I don't want to get into a huge debate about how some animals may have not just sentience but spirituality, I'm only too aware of the "all swans are white" problem, so I'll just focus on the animal that we know has sentience and spirituality and that's us.

Having said that I can see that your post does in fact go beyond the God=Nature proposition. But then it may go to the God=Universe proposition which leaves us in a bit of a bind still.

The universe operates on what we call "laws". This is our word or concept for knowledge of the consistency of what you refer to as "nature". We know that at a given elevation on Earth that water will boil at a given temperature. We know that because we used objective processes to inquire into the idea and to test it and eventually confirm it. So we discovered a "law" or principle of nature. But what we don't know is how that "law", that state of affairs, came to be. That's where we enter the metaphysical and cosmological arenas. At the moment we haven't got much idea about the cause of the universe. We reckon we know what happened when the universe appeared but before that we don't have a clue and frankly we might never know, but isn't it fascinating to speculate on it?

 

... or not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGTrrnuzUBY

 

Your enemies

are terrible people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_KIoGsxsKI

 

Does nature really know how to put it in place or does it just happen ? Heck, isn't that like saying that a baby knows how to be born ?


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Are you indicating that I think religious people are my enemies? What makes you think that?

Not at all, to omit to define "god" does not make one anything that I would say is terrible. In fact, my post specifically attacks prejudice against the word "god" being used.

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'Are you questioning god?'

The question that could have enabled a mind to create the 'god' to worship.

No matter, our alpha-omega is here, in the garden (the garden; god).

 

Man became conscious of itself. Rocks that can experience itself.

The life is the light.

Man recorded experiences with words (manmade). Words evolved over time and we are here now articulating what we are with them words.

We are it defining itself.

The last word to all arguments is the Name defining how the transition of mass/energy/time works universal. Then the principles of understanding all of it, is grounded in fact:

Stupid easy

And cool thread.

 

But nature is not the universe. Nature existed before the universe and will exist after. There was still gravity and other forces before the universe was formed. It was those forces that created it.

 

Ah, but we know that nature exists, and it provides all that we need. It controls the creation of life and the end of it. All things that happen in the universe, happens because of nature. And even the things created by man, plastic, for example, come from natural materials originally. I suppose, in a western sense, nature would not be a god, since god is ALWAYS seen as a humanoid being in the west. This is closer to some of the eastern religions than the western.

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I guess you could say that everything is the universe IS nature. So we all make up god together.

 

Hm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Vt67JCTDM

 

"Before" the universe existed was no time so "before" was not existing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTri6Rf4rVU

 

I would tend to agree. I say God is behind it all, set it all in motion, but I completely respect your take on nature.

 

I'm questioning how nature can be 'all knowing.' I mean, even humans aren't all knowing let alone a rock. This is something I have thought about before and I do like the OP and respect the logic but I don't understand the omniscient part.

 

We could say it but It still doesn't really answer 'how' omniscience fits in.

 

It is a verbal contradiction to think that Nature is supernatural. Man's mind is the only thing that can conquer Nature, which must submit to our purposes and to our pursuit of safety and prosperity. The view that we must surrender to Nature without a fight comes from the Death Wish inherited from all the inferior species that became extinct. Your attitude towards this satanic entity is responsible for all the misery in backward nations. Nature is the enemy of Man and must become the slave of Man.

 

I never said that it was supernatural. I said that supernatural is simply a misunderstanding of nature.

 

this is a joke, yes?

if not, WTF!

 

Good grieve - what a nonsense. We are the universe - we are nature - even if our spirit is transzendent. The true spirit is not able to think what you say - your are your own paradox. Life is free. Nothing is our slave in this world here - we are "only" responsible in the eyes of god for his creation - so we have the highest degree of freedom in this world here. But this makes no one and nothing to our slave. The free love every freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCTJeT2i9QU