Nazi Germany had a socialist economy

Concerning Kuomintang in China it was in fact kind of political coalition of different groups. It included also some marxists which argued contrary to communists that China is in the stage of stagnation, feudalism collapsed, but capitalism is not built yet, so it is to early for proletarian revolution.

I would not go in details and should study this more personally also, but i also think Chinese nationalism was more defensive in opposition to colonialism, yet with international elements in it. However they saw also communism as part of Soviet imperialism and colonialism.

 

Not only am I aware, I had just mentioned several of them. So yes, I do realize it. Funny how you quoted me listing other countries, then going "you may not realize".

 

Actually, their original name is the DAP or "German Workers Party". Then changed to the NSDAP, or National Socialist German Workers Party. It was never known as the "NAZI Party", that is a name given to them by detractors, as it sounds like the German name "Ignaz", a slang word meaning stupid, clumsy, or awkward person. But if you are using "National Socialism", that is incorrect. Notice, I am very careful in the words I use, and most times I refer to them as the NSDAP. It is accurate, and it is exactly what I mean. Unlike morons that hear "Nazi" or anything else and start screaming it is "Fascist".

I even had one braniac on another forum start screaming that "Fascism was a failure", and being Italian he was glad that it had never taken hold in his country. Sweet summer child, apparently knew so little of his own history that he had no idea that the very concept of "National Socialism" was founded in his country, the name came from a rather distinctive Roman symbol, and ran the place for decades.

But you can't lump all "Fascist" or "National Socialist" nations with Germany, because only they and the nations that copied them used race as a factor. Even the Greeks NS parties did not, until 1941 when Germany invaded them. Those are specific policies that followed the Germans where they expanded, it is not native to the parties or regions themselves.

And I also have long labeled their opponent as "International Socialism". It ("Communism" and "Marxism") and National Socialism are almost the same, simply differing in who the "ultimate boss" is going to be. In NS, it is ultimately each country being answerable to itself. In IS, ultimately each country would then answer to an even higher one (in most of their eyes, the Supreme Soviet).

 

Capitalism is not controlled by Government.
Socialism is the life and dreams of a society are managed by Government.
Democrats practice socialism.
This is why discussions that are anti socialistic in nature are fought against by Democrats and not by Republicans.
Democrats defend socialism.

Take the USA.
I sold Real Estate for a half century in CA. It was socialistic in nature due to me having to first get a state approved education then a license just to earn a living.
The guise was it was for the protection of the public.
When I first started appraising property in 1975 for fees, we were not regulated. We could join the MAI of course and be certified by them. (Member of the Appraisal Institute)
Then in the early 90s, we had to first take the state approved education courses, pass them then pay the state money just to appraise. As Brokers we already could value property. However the appraiser must use approved forms to remit information that was acceptable to lenders.
My Brokers license included my lawful providing a mortgage service to my clients.
This was usurped by Dodd Frank which forced me to engage in more worthless schools for high fees then pay a high fee for a short term license. And Dodd Frank yanked my rights from me to select appraisers.
They mandated a new person, a go in between party select the appraisers for their cut of the appraisers fees.
My clients could not even select appraisers.

This is a tiny part of what Government does then lies that it is not socialistic.

That car you drive. Totally regulated by State. Fuel you use, ditto.
That home you live in. Completely regulated by State.
That Doctor you see, he is totally regulated by State.
That food you eat. Very regulated by state.
See you live under socialism as so many Democrats proudly boast.
But you should be living as a citizen in a Republic, not as a socialist lackey.

 

Yes, and almost all of them very Socialist.

It is not for no reason at all that both the KMT and CCP considered Sun Yat-Sen to be their founder. He was a Communist, as well as a Socialist and a Nationalist. However, interestingly enough, he was not a Marxist. He had some interactions with the Communist International, but had no interest in seeing his country follow that model (writing that "China should stay Chinese, and not a copy of some concept from Europe").. And for decades after, the growing Marxist clique in the party started to fight and pull away from the National Socialist one, until eventually it fragmented and civil war broke out.

But when examined, the KMT is not all that much different than what was seen in Italy, or in Germany when the racist views are excised. Especially the love of pseudo-military uniforms, and screaming about how they, their people, and their government is the best in the world. Even the CCP follows them much more closely in many ways than it did the CCCP. With Mao and his band of merry lunatics supporting most of the views of Marxism, yet at the same time rejecting the Soviet Union as the "one to rule them all".

 

Hayek was correct. And he was very well educated and a genius of economics. Hayek was very smart and warned us all. Hayek was not a Nazi.

 

Will you translate that into layman's English please? You are tossing around confused terms.

 

Oh, it gets worse than that.

Back in the early 1980s, my wife got her nursing training and license in California. Then a decade and a half later, I rejoined the military and was stationed in Texas.

Not a problem, right? Like most states, Texas had a shortage of nurses, so it should have been easy for her to get a job.

Nope. Because even though she was licensed and had been working for over 15 years, California is one of the few states that is not only not a member of the Interstate Nursing Compact, they outright reject it.



In short, this is an agreement between most states that they will recognize a nursing license from any state that is a member. A nurse from Idaho can work freely in Texas, a nurse from Oklahoma can work freely in Alabama. But California refuses to recognize the license form any state outside of California, therefore nobody recognizes theirs.

This is why for the 5 years we were in Texas, she could not work. And when she returned, they gave her a huge fine and penalty because her license had lapsed, and they demanded that all the fees associated with it be paid back before she could get her license back. The fact she was not in California and not working did not matter, they were demanding they be paid, no matter what.

I do not joke it is the "People's Republic of California" for nothing. And they scream it is for the same reason, to "protect the public". In reality, it is to protect their for-profit schools, so all nurses go to school in state, instead of going to ones where it is more affordable to get their licenses. Even the Nursing Union supports it, as it protects their jobs from people coming in from out of state and asking for lower wages.

I can agree with the "required training" aspect of such, but not the mandating that it can only come from the state you want to work in. They had tried to do that with lawyers and doctors also, but that failed spectacularly because those fields have a lot of money involved.

 

Most of my posting is based on human Freedom. I do not believe though the word is very common, that many Americans actually understand it at all.
They will say they are free.
Then list a litany of ways they are not free at all.
Unions not free
Government not free
Attending schools not free (in College I studied approved courses. In lower schools the books used and the courses were all government approved. Primarily by Democrats)
Working not free Companies and themselves regulated
Buying products not free (heavily regulated)

Seems drab. But Americans do not understand freedom.
Because of this, they can't comprehend systems that take their freedom from them.
How has the media been used? For the most part, the most visible, by Democrats shilling as journalists.
How about the Hollywood crowd. Most are Democrats.
Democrats have main traits. The urge to control you by force.

Why did Biden stop the Pipe into America from Canada? He used force to stop it. It was to impose his will on energy.
Why did Biden open the border wide open? To get the kind he can control easily.

Here in pictures is what I am talking about

 

My appraisers license was good in all states and so was the Mortgage license.
My Brokers license was good in CA and for other states should they have a reciprocal agreement in force.

My daughter who is a Registered Nurse is licensed in Hawaii. I do not know where else she can work.


Compact State Status

Hawaii is not a Nursing Licensure Compact state.Jan 13, 2020
Can a licensed RN work in any state?

An RN holds a license in only one compact state at a time. The RN is allowed to work in other compact states on the basis of a multi-state license issued in their own home state. If the RN changes their primary residence, though, they'll need to transfer their license fairly quickly.

 

Goebbles was using this term a lot in his propaganda and also in personal diary.

 

It is reciprocal across all nursing licenses. RN, LVN, LPN, all of them. So long as they recognize the license from other states, theirs is recognized. Refuse to recognize them, then nobody recognizes them.

And I have seen similar when I moved from Idaho to California. I was 16, and had already been a licensed driver for 2 years. Yet when I tried to get my license in California, they tried to insist I had to stop driving. Then take the mandatory driver education course in High School, then retake all of the tests (written and driving), as if I was any other 16 year old. And yes, at that time you could indeed get your license and drive in Idaho at 14.

Even my dad tried to tell them that was nonsense, as he was not required to do any of that, just take the written test and he was good. But they insisted my license was no good, and I could not drive on it. So I just said to hell with California, and never got one. The one time I was pulled over I said I was visiting my dad, and lived in Idaho. Then a year later when I joined the military there was nothing they could do, as military members are not citizens of the state they are stationed in.

I used that same license until I got out a decade later, and only then got my California one. And never did take their driver training course or had to take a driving test.

 

Yes, but equating all National Socialism to what the NSDAP did is like comparing the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" with either a Democracy, or a Republic.

 

During my life of 83 years, I first got my drivers license in CA, then in the Military based in Germany had to get the Military license too. It was good all over Europe. I moved from CA to Idaho in 2019 and this state has truly blossomed, but here I had to take the written test, but not the driving test along with proving to them i was born in an American state. I was born at Tulare, CA during the huge depression.

I have not paid attention to the minimum age now in Idaho. Let me check.
15 years of age

Applicants must be at least 15 years of age to receive an Idaho driver's license. b. Applicants must schedule an appointment with a skills tester

 

Leftists will have big problems before they will be able to overcome prejudices that if some private owners were able to make profit out of symbiosis with National socialism, that is not making the regime capitalism. And some also do not want to overcome them.

 

I was fortunate when in Berlin to stay in a Mansion on Lake Wannsee. While it was very large, it was not close to the size of Castles in Germany. I would say it was on a couple acres of land with a dock into the lake. The Army used it as quarters for those of us on leave. It is now called The American academy in Berlin.
Post-World War II
In the aftermath of the Second World War, the US Forces requisitioned the property as an Officers’ Club, on July 4, 1945. The house was then recovered by the Arnholds in 1951, under a restitution claim with the German government. The US Forces continued to pay rent, now to the Arnhold’sche Vermögensverwaltung. In 1953, the Americans released the property, and the Berlin senate accepted an offer by the Arnholds to utilize the villa for housing refugees from the East, a purpose the villa served until 1956. The Arnholds then sold the property to the Federal Republic of Germany in 1958. From the 1960s until after the fall of the Berlin Wall, in 1989, the residence was used by the US Army as a recreation center; it became a lively meeting point for political and military officials and Americans living in Berlin. Between 1988 and 1990, US Forces spent nine million Deutschmarks for complete renovation of the property and villa.

 

The genius of Nazis vs, communist} is the nazis left the companies under the name of the private owners and then put demands and micromanaged them, and if production failed or goals went unmet,, then they blamed those companies,

whereas the commies took ownership of production and when it failed, there really wasn't anyone to blame but the communist state.

 

New documentary on how Hitler started his political life first as socialist and communist or at least their sympathizer. Only later he joined national socialists when the radicals from the left were defeated and he did this first as spy for German army.

 

Hitler was caught on film in his army uniform marching in the funeral procession for Bela Kun.

 

Bela Kun was killed during purges under Stalin in 1938. Somebody probally mixed Bela Kun with Kurt Eisner.

 

This would mean Hitler's political views were not yet formed until 1920. He was in favour of Strong Germany, but not yet really decided which political party Will bring it.

Because the red experiment felt and he was involved in it he had to improve his position with collaboration with German army and started to work as their spy between small National socialist party in Bavaria. But he was good in politics as he discovered...

Even his antisemitism was really formed only in that time. And it was under the influence of army circles which had to blame someone for their defeat. And they blamed the Jews which liked stabbed them in the back and financed the red revolution. However they were in fact guilty of Both. They the generals prepared very bad military strategy before the start of WW1 promising a quick victory and also they helped Lenin to start revolution in Russia when First strategy felt.

 

However Hitler was still holding anti-capitalistic mentality in many ways similair with the leaders of far left German revolution. Not Just concerning totalitarian ideas about state, but also on many other areas.

With Rosa Luxemburg for example he shared the so called theory of shrinking Markets, which argued that capitalism is dying because non-industrial countries Will soon develop their own industry and capitalist economy Will lose its Markets. Proponents of this theory saw even in the fact that British colonies were operating pretty much independent on international market the sign that capitalism is dying. However it is the fact that colonies became just better prepared for international trade on this way, when they became independent.

Hitler mixed this economic fallacy together with ideas of so called constant and "natural" struggle between different races.

So when he advocated for the Lebensraum he was not doing this in a way that would mean capitalistic imperialism, but rather he had in Mind that his version of (racial) socialism should expand in New lands so that German People Will have enough sources for being self-sufficient and with this avoiding the failure of capitalism. This was for him and National socialists even more important because they believed the worst race that is Jews Will try to make profit from failure of capitalism, with expansion of communism.

 

Volunteerism isn't communism.

 

This thread is a train wreck. What isn't dead is so twisted, might as well be...

 

lol what pipeline did Biden stop from Canada? The Keystone has been pumping oil from Canada to Port Arthur a long time now. The XL is merely a small shortcut across a corner, and even the Republican Governor doesn't want it running across an aquifer, which the state relies on for water for its industries and people. The Keystone is owned by the Canadian government, and they just didn't want to run it along a much shorter route to tidewater across its own land, because the sludge is so toxic.