Needles, Syringes, Feces, Bodies on our Streets

I'm in agreement... and, yes, they can live in their car if they want, so long as the license plate stickers are current and the car is parked legally.

 

exactly, they still have to follow the laws

if one wants to live in their car, they have to follow the rules, same as anyone else

 

You misunderstand. My approach is harsher than yours, not less so. I want to send them to remote camps after everything else has failed, as stated above.

 

with paid labor or slave labor?

we can't work people without paying them, and it has to be voluntary

I am all for voluntary labor farms, that pay them, give them food and housing and teaches them to survive in society

 

Ok. But if they go and don't work, they get kicked out and are right back on the street.

I frankly don't care if they work or not. If they don't want to sweep up etc., that's their business, but hopefully the other residents will pressure them.

 

nope, back to jail

just like a person that agrees to drug rehab vs jail, if they not do it, they do their time

how many Drunk drivers do we arrest each year, do we worry there is not enough space in jail?

 

Require residency as western nations do.
Find an angle around unconstitutional vagrancy laws.

Solutions exist.

Side walks & streets are NOT camp sites.

No one has the right to live where ever they choose.​

San Francisco, Santa Monica, etc.
Time to enforce common sense laws.
Support rehab residential centers on cheaper
real estate.


El Moi
Defender of Truthiness

Don't Further ize
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If we are ready to spend the money to create an additional 40,000 cells on Los Angeles County, plus the shower, recreational and kitchen facilities, I suppose that would work.

 

They won't though. As long as we house and feed without obligation, they won't lift their game.

It HAS to be a choice between participatory healing, or taking their chances in the wild as it were. Options like no-obligation shelters, jail, welfare, and street sleeping should not even be on the radar. They're the things that perpetuate homelessness. You offer them zero tolerance harbour - which demands the same things of them that are demanded of all who expect to survive. No crime, no squalor, no addiction, no laziness, etc etc. Refusal being acknowledgement that they're on their own, and will need to find another legal way to live (ie no street sleeping, squalor, trash in the forest, etc etc) without benefit of Govt assistance.

 

disagree, we can't stop helping those that need help, but we also can't make it easy for homless people to set up tents on the street

much of the homeless turn down free housing, cause it's drug free in fact, they don't want it

 

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We are left still with the question of what to do with those who elect to take their chances on the street. And there are hundreds of thousands of them.

i would forcibly remove them to a remote area.

 

You're not paying attention. My proposal is that they'd have MORE help than they get now. If they accept it, they'll end up with substantial gains.

And yes, exactly. Most will turn it down. That's the point of the exercise .. to focus resources on the few who are actually genuine, and cut loose those who aren't (and anyone who turns it down is not genuine .. not in any way). By cut loose I mean no more Govt assistance of any kind, and no street sleeping.

 

No, that question is answered. We wouldn't be required to do ANYTHING about them. In refusing the assistance offered, they would be electing to be treated the same as everyone else - IOW living within the rules and managing their own lives. No longer yours, mine, or Govt's problem. Asking 'but what will they do?' is like asking what any random stranger does about living within the rules. No one is so special that they need the world to wonder how they'll manage. No one is asking it about me or you, or any other law abiding and self-reliant citizen.

And they wouldn't be taking their chances on the street, because street sleeping would be illegal. Please don't ask 'where will they go?', either. Same as for above. It's not a question that needs to be asked, because it's none of our business.

 

Of course you would. Any authoritarian minded person would.

That's what street people do. They manage their own lives,

 

But they are not living within the rules .. you somehow managed to avoid that crucial point.

I'll believe they're 'managing' when they're not resorting to illegality and dependence.

 

I'm not asking "what will they do"? I'm asking what we should do. Again, I'm only talking about those who will not accept reasonable offers.

 

If declining to tolerate filth, trash, syringes, urine and feces on the streets that I pay for and where I behave makes me a bad guy, then we have different values.

(What is your argument for tolerating it?)

I'll make reasonable deals with the homeless, but it's a two way street ... a filthy and unhygienic street, but still a street, and they have to obey the rules same as me.

 

Why would 'we' do anything at all? Do you interfere in the lives of your quietly living and law abiding neighbours?

It's really none of our business. When someone emancipates themselves from Govt dependence, they accept that they're no longer a special interest project, exempt from the rules. They join the ranks of the ordinary citizen.

 

My theoretical model is more than reasonable, on that. The genuinely needy would benefit hugely.

 

We would do something (or at least I would) because it's unhygienic, unsightly, and shameful. There are many people who sleep on concrete sidewalks in Los Angeles, every night, and sometimes all day long. I would put them in a camp with a tent, a cot, and a soup kitchen for their own good.

The streets are public property held in common by all, not their private property. They have no more right to abuse it than they do to sleep and excrete in your backyard or your living room.

 

What? We've already said (umpteen times) that street sleeping would be illegal. There would be none, so it's not something that needs addressing.

 

~ Maybe "Street People " will become the next political party ... ❓️

 

Guns for everybody and open season

Hunt the Homeless.

 

That is hopelessly naive in my opinion.

 

We have out share of homeless in Florida. The 'solution' here is to bulldoze the parks off trash, feces, drug needles annually and then letting them back in.