Negotiate Peace With Russia to Prevent War Over Ukraine

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  1. AARguy

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    DELECTION???? A NEW WORD!!!!

    Missiles are missiles... they are not nuclear weapons. Missiles CARRY nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons go BANG! They EXPLODE! Missiles CARRY them...missiles do not explode. Apples and space shuttles. And, yes, while NOKO continued testing MISSILES, they stop NUCLEAR testing... gees... is this so difficult? Kids understand the difference between a missile and a bomb.

    So you would prefer war? Thousands of dead? Destruction? Rather than a handshake? Really?

    I don't follow Twitter or Facebook... I follow policies, laws and ACTIONS. Social media has no impact at all on me or my family. ACTIONS do.

    I also don't care if anyone is tall or short... who cares? Do you concentrate on skin color too?
     
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    1. Hee hee hee. You spotted the typo, please don't penalize me.
    2. What is the missile babble about. The missiles that continue to be tested could be used to carry nuke heads or heads with germ components. Is that hard for you to grasp? Do you really want to tell people North Korea used to use nuclear headed missiles in their tests and stopped? Good God man.
    3. Do I prefer war? Why would you ask me that when the man you support wants to push a civil war in the US if he is not put back into the office?Ask yourself that damn question Trump supporter. You support a man who wages war against Americans or do you want to pretend you don't notice that vulgarity as well?
    4. Next I do not care what you care to comprehend. I was challenging your feigned righteousness about my referring to Putin's penis size. I was deadly serious not being vulgar:

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/...the-danger-lurks-inside-vladimir-putins-brain

    https://www.thecipherbrief.com/colu...vladimir-putin-a-political-psychology-profile

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-of-vladimir-putin-and-it-should-scare-trump/

    https://theworld.org/stories/2014-03-10/hes-short-he-crazy-brief-psychoanalysis-vladimir-putin

    https://unherd.com/2021/07/emperor-putin-needs-to-grow-up/

    http://personality-politics.org/russia-threat-assessment-psychological-profile-of-vladimir-putin
     
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  3. Bill Carson

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    Oh the glaring hypocrisy. You advocate for American troops on Russia's border but when the shoe is on the other foot....it's "oh hell no". How about some good 'ol missiles in Cuba and Russian troops in Tijuana? Yeah, sounds perfect for the idiocy in DC.
     
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    I doubt you have an idea on how to negotiate with Russia, let alone Putin.

    They believe the line is in the wrong place. They believe Clinton(s) were far too harsh on them. They believe that the land in question IS theirs.

    I really do not believe you are going to change their minds on that.

    We can find ways to raise the cost of them taking action. That's why we have a UN and a NATO. We form alliances, making an economic and military situation that would result from their aggression to simply cost too much for them.

    That's what we did in Iran, until Republicans decided to free Iran to do what they want.
     
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    That simple carsy....no one wants Asiatic Mafialand vatniks nearby....even if there was that "option"....no one would consider it....with NATO and US presence the possibilities are abundant in terms of economic standpoint, entertainment, security purposes.

    What ****ing benefit is there in having vatniks nearby.....let's see....propaganda,terror,oppression, invasion,subjugation....the list goes on.

    One example is Konigsberg....big military camp that's it....surrounded by Nato.

    80% of its residents go shopping and entertainment purposes in the EU....go figure.
    If this enclave would be in German hands you could safely bet it would be vibrant, progressed,tourist attraction, etc.

    And that's probably the same in any Russki ex/enclave....Abkazia, South Ossetia,Crimea,DPR.... 3 are basically $hitholes and it's proclaimed "govt officials" are either on the run or wanted by Interpol,or dead in a ditch somewhere.

    Over to you dude....:))
     
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    The Soviet Union didn't blink. The threat from Khruschev was so that Kennedy would remove our missiles from Turkey, and he did. This is why the Soviet ships turned around and went home. By propagating the falsehood that Russia blinked, we're pushing the American people and the idiots in Washington towards a world war.

    The reason the Soviet Union collapsed is for the same reason that the one world order under our hegemony will collapse. Until then though the damage we will do will be immense - as we can see in the Middle East - and as we will be seeing in Europe shortly.


    As Putin said:

    "...One can't impose political standards of behavior on other countries and people while ignoring their special nature which includes the ethnic and religious structure and historical traditions. I think that eventually they (US) will understand this..."
     
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    Trump ended North Korean nuclear weapon testing. He did NOT stop missile testing but he DID stop nuke weapon testing. Those are FACTS.
    Trump does NOT want to start a civil war. To say that is simply not true. Its pure left wing propaganda.... and so absurd as to be ridiculous. It takes a high level of brainwashing for anyone to say that. Trump is not waging a war against Americans at all. That is ... well.... wacky.
    Trump kept my family safe and prosperous when he was in office. That is all that matters to me. I couldn't care less about "vulgarity". Little Miss Muffett, Mary Poppins and Little Miss Sunshine might care about such things, but I don't. He kept my family safe and prosperous and that's all I care about.
    Your preoccupation with Putin's penis size seems to be included in your every post now.... interesting... gross... but interesting.
     
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    Putinka should take some of his own advice he espousing....Russkis wrote the book on "imposing" themselves on others.

    Sovs had their butts kicked in Astan....thats why they collapsed. Graveyard of Empires.
     
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    So you value Russian security as much as American security? Ok... we get it now. Personally, I'm an American and American security is a heckuva lot more important. Get it Tovarish?
     
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    NATO has some teeth. UN is as worthless as teats on a boar hog. Iran has never lived up to any of the promises they made. Dems poured billions and billions into Iran and the mullahs laughed and continued to develop nukes.
     
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    Our nukes were not removed from Turkey at that time. In 1975, upon graduation from West Point, my roommate's first assignment was to a "Warhead Det" (nuke warhead detachment) at Incirclik Air Base in Turkey.
     
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    Death - Before I put you on ignore, for your vulgarity, I think you should see Ukraine on the march. Very reminiscent of the marches in: 'Trumph of the Will' whiich should make you proud.

    In the second video, the marching priest does not represent the traditional Orthodox Church under Moscow of the Ukrainian people, but the new 'Nationalist' Church that was formed with our instigation and blessings.


    https://www.rt.com/russia/545001-nationalists-march-torches-kiev/
     
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    Sure, there's nationalists in Ukraine - who wouldn't want to be a nationalist after the 13 million
    people the Russians murdered. And there's pacifist Ukrainians. And there's Communists too.
    And Russians who are pround to be Russian but don't like what Putin has done to their Russia.

    But most of all - there's many Ukrainians who just want to be Ukrainians, not Russians. And
    they see their future in the European Union.
     
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    Hmmmm....RT link....propaganda at its finest....you never disappoint Jen.
     
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    Thanks zoom... I didn't know what an "RT link" was... so I looked it up. You are absolutely correct... a Russian sponsored propaganda source... thanks... I learned something... and in the process... you flushed Jen's credibility down he you-know-what... now we know we she is coming from
     
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    Quite frankly I do. Because if they are secure, so is America. If geniuses like John Bolton had access to serious weapons of war, you may get your ass nuked. Now how safe is that, big boy? Mr. West Point?

    While some of you are stuck in your bomb shelters you built in the Cold War, China has emerged as the global threat to America....and you funded them buying all that cheap crap. You could have looked past the propaganda and traded with a capitalist, Christian Russia but instead you chose a friggin commie red country devoid of religion. So I don't need lectures from those who support China and whine about Russia....since it's your own doing.
     
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    You should take a couple of weeks a do a brief tour of Ukraine. Then we'll see how you post.
     
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    I like it!

    All Putin has to do is give a lot of money to "Brandon" and he, Putin, can do whatever he wants. Same goes for China.

    The new world order is......Biden can be bought!!!
     
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    Germany was secure... it attacked.
    Japan was secure.... it attacked.
    North Vietnam was secure... it attacked.
    Iraq was secure... it attacked.
    Aggressive nations are not deterred from being aggressive because they are secure.

    If Bolton... what? How did Bolton get into this conversation? And hypotheticals about the past have no relevance. If my uncle had teats he might be my aunt... but he didn't... so he wasn't. So what?

    If you have an iPhone, you bought China's "cheap crap" too. You should have bought a Russian one (good luck finding one... LOL)

    I don't "whine" about China or Russia. I am a realist not a "whiner". So I just prepare for a worst case scenario... war. At the same time, I prepare for a continued fun retirement. Its best to be ready for anything.
     
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    There is no argument. I'm just not a ****ing hypocrite.

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    I've been to Russia many times (recently) and well, I guess you think graduating from West Point 50+ years ago means something. You're living in the past.
     
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    You must be very young. The current Secretary of Defense graduated from West Point almost 50 years ago too. Lloyd Austin is a classmate of mine. You should drop him a note telling him he's "living in the past".
     
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    You mean, talk to Russians or pro Putin Ukrainians?
    You think there are people in the Ukraine who think Russia is the future? A Russia where,
    as Putin admitted, most hospitals don't even have running hot water? A nation where they
    have ribbon cutting ceremonies for the repair of unsealed roads? A nation that has 4,000
    political prisoners?

    Two extra figures - a poll of a quarter of Russians would leave the country if they could.
    Amongst young people this rises to half.
    And you say that Ukraine wants to be Russia?
    No way.
     
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    Ha ha. Good one.
    Yes, iPhones come from China - but the added value is only 5% of Apples phone.
    And I suppose that's thing like cases, assembly and packaging.
     
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    You ruined my day. Here I am jealous of all the young Soldiers we have in the Ukraine now (JAVELIN trainers plus 53d (Infantry) Brigade Combat Team). I have been jealous of them experiencing all the new places they'll see. Now I'm not so sure I'm jealous anymore.
     
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    And just remember, those 170,000 Russians with armoured vehicles and artillary,
    ARE ALL JUST VOLUNTEERS. If you were in the Russian army you could just
    declare yourself a 'volunteer' and go borrow a Buk missile launch system, then
    shoot down, well, anything.
     

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