Netanyahu and Obama are at point of no return

Bibi has been the worst for both Israel and the US.... Israel has been threatening Iran since 2002 and now that it has reached critical mass, Bibi wants to US to attack Iran.. at tremendous cost to the United States, the Europeans and the region.

Evidently some 58 % of Israelis get it very clearly.. so what happens next?

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/netanyahu-and-obama-are-at-point-of-no-return-1.266672

Netanyahu and Obama are at point of no return

Obama has decided his moderate Mideast coalition is more important than Netanyahu's extremist one.
By Akiva

The strife between Israel and the United States concerns something far bigger than the proximity talks with the Palestinians. As far as President Barack Obama and his senior advisers are concerned, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is to blame for nothing less than damaging the standing of the U.S.in the Middle East and the Muslim world.

Just as Netanyahu received his standing ovation at the AIPAC conference, Obama and his advisers were ruminating over an altogether different convention - the Arab League begins a meeting Tripoli on Saturday.

For the Americans, Netanyahu's Likudnik speech and the Shepherd Hotel project matched in embarrassment the scandalous announcement of construction in East Jerusalem during Vice President Joe Biden's visit here.

This year's Arab League summit will be the scene of struggle between the allies of Iran and the allies of American, and the violation of the status quo in Al Quds - Jerusalem - has direct implications for the balance of power between the sides. Over the last few weeks, Americans have been giving life support to the Arab Peace Initiative, born at the League's summit in Beirut 2002 and set to be on the agenda this week.

The absence of Egyptian President Mubarak, who is recovering from an operation in Berlin, doesn't make it any easier for the U.S. to resist the efforts of Syria and Libya to suspend or possibly even terminate the peace initiative. The al-Mabhouh assassination, insulting as it was to the rulers of the Gulf, doesn't do much for the other proponents of the initiative, King Abdullah of Saudia and King Abdullah II of Jordan.

The Saudi king had asked the Quartet for clarifications about Israel's latest moves in Jerusalem and specifically about Netanyahu's statement of intent for the Arab part of the city.

The messages coming to the White House from Riyadh and Amman, then, were starkly clear: If you don't rein in your Israeli friends, Tehran won't be the only Middle East capital where American flags will burn.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has decisively supported General David Petraeus, the first American military man in years to describe Israel as a strategic burden on the U.S. Gates said America's rivals in the Middle East are abusing the standstill of the political process between Israel and the Arabs.

He stressed that he had no doubt a lack of peace in the region was influencing American interests there.

Netanyahu had been hoping to buy time until November's Congressional elections, which coincide with the deadline he set for the settlement freeze. But with America's strategic interest on the line, Bibi's favorite political game (playing the Jewish community and Congress against the White House and the State Department) isn't working anymore. Obama decided his moderate Middle East coalition is more important than Netanyahu's extremist one. This is a point of no return.

 

Nov. 2002 Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has called on the international community to target Iran as soon as the imminent conflict with Iraq is complete.

February 9, 2002: Sharon Argues that Iran ‘A Strategic Threat to Israel’

Ariel Sharon. [Source: US Department of Defense]Prime Minister Ariel Sharon meets with President George W. Bush. According to the Ha’aretz Daily, the goal of the meeting is to “convince the United States that Iran constitutes a strategic threat to Israel.” [Ha'aretz, 2/9/2002]


February 2005: Sharon Authorizes Israeli Attack on Iran’s Nuclear Facilities


During a private meeting of Ariel Sharon’s inner cabinet at the prime minister’s private ranch in the Negev desert, Sharon gives “initial authorization” for an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. [Sunday Times (London), 3/13/2005]

 

Ubama wants Israel to return to the 67 borders, so they can be slaughtered like sheep.

 

Israel's security is NOT enhanced by the occupied territories.. that a Likkud mantra and its untrue..

Read Martin Van Creveld....... Tamir Pardo and Meir Dagan.

Do you know why Bibi called Obama a J Street Jew.. and do you know what that means?

 

WRONG Israel has been threatened BY iran.

 

Why don't they just go to the land they occupied for 1900 yrs prior to 1948?

 

Check the facts...

Nov. 2002 Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has called on the international community to target Iran as soon as the imminent conflict with Iraq is complete.

February 9, 2002: Sharon Argues that Iran ‘A Strategic Threat to Israel’

Ariel Sharon. [Source: US Department of Defense]Prime Minister Ariel Sharon meets with President George W. Bush. According to the Ha’aretz Daily, the goal of the meeting is to “convince the United States that Iran constitutes a strategic threat to Israel.” [Ha'aretz, 2/9/2002]


February 2005: Sharon Authorizes Israeli Attack on Iran’s Nuclear Facilities


During a private meeting of Ariel Sharon’s inner cabinet at the prime minister’s private ranch in the Negev desert, Sharon gives “initial authorization” for an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. [Sunday Times (London), 3/13/2005]

 

Saying someone is a threat is not the same as saying you want to wipe them off the face of the earth. you are wrong again.

Why do you take sides with our enemies over our allies?

 

No, Obama supports the illegal expansion of Israeli settlements. He talks a good game, but does the opposite. Didn't we see this with HCR and the Bush tax cuts?

This comes from the man who claimed that he would talk to Iran, but enacted tougher sanctions. If Israel ever attacked Iran, Obama would be there, licking Netanyahu's boots.

However, this is another clear display of how Obama's pragmatism is clashing with reality. You cannot seek diplomacy while enacting sanctions. You cannot pressure someone to bow down to you after you kissed their feet.

 

Mike: Israel has been a terrible ally.. betraying US interests over and over again.. Starting with interferring with the Marshal Plan years ago..Trying to bomb Americans in Cairo, the Suez crisis.. the closure of the Canal for seven years, the permanent closure of TAPLINE and the bombing os the USS Liberty.

When Sharon began threatening Iran in 2002... where did he think it would lead???

 

He doesn't support illegal expansion of settlements.. He's giving Israel enough rope to hang themselves or throw Bibi into the sea.

Do you remember the meeting between Obama and Bibi that was supposed to be about peace talks..??? Bibi showed up with a zoning map.. and Obama walked out on him.

 

And that's our problem because...?

 

Progressives see the world through cracked lenses.


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Do you remember reality where Obama keeps subsidizing Israeli foreign policy while sanctioning Iran?

Wow, that really showed Bibi. Obama is tough. Next time he and Bibi go eat out at a restaurant, Obama showed him that he will pay for the bill when they disagree.

 

You think? After sufficient threats, Iran would naturally want a nuclear weapon..

Israel has let their mouth overload their butts .... Now they have backed themselves and the US into a corner.....

Nov. 2002 Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has called on the international community to target Iran as soon as the imminent conflict with Iraq is complete.

February 9, 2002: Sharon Argues that Iran ‘A Strategic Threat to Israel’

Ariel Sharon. [Source: US Department of Defense]Prime Minister Ariel Sharon meets with President George W. Bush. According to the Ha’aretz Daily, the goal of the meeting is to “convince the United States that Iran constitutes a strategic threat to Israel.” [Ha'aretz, 2/9/2002]


February 2005: Sharon Authorizes Israeli Attack on Iran’s Nuclear Facilities


During a private meeting of Ariel Sharon’s inner cabinet at the prime minister’s private ranch in the Negev desert, Sharon gives “initial authorization” for an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. [Sunday Times (London), 3/13/2005]

 

You see eggs everywhere, but no chickens that laid them. Iran has been threatening Israel and the US, since 1979. They have been warned repeatedly, and now they are about to reap the whirlwind.


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Perhaps we should not have overthrown the first democracy in the ME in 1953.

 

How has Iran threatened the US since 1979?

As for Israel.. they owed Iran $200 million with interest for about 20 years... after the closure of TIPLINE..

Israel has no concept of ever doing the right thing and then rails when it comes back to bite them..

What a pain in the rear they have been for every US president since Truman.

Our mistake... has been that we have NEVER put any terms and conditions on the US foreign Aid, Loans and Grants we have given this pint sized bully..

 

Perhaps, we avoided a Muslim theocracy for a while?

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I don't think overthrowing a freedom loving, secularist, democratically elected President and replacing him with a puppet regime backed by a secret police who tortured political dissenters using Nazi torture tactics taught to them by the CIA and Mossad helped the cause of Western democracy.

 

LOLOL Mosadeegh ?

The US and the UK sent Kermit Roosevelt in to give money and support to the clerics......

Don, are you an American?

 

They took over our embassy in 1979, and waged a proxy terrorist campaign with Hezbollah since 1982.

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Obama is a total joke when it come to Foreign Policy.Thinking
he can glide by on his Bogus Bin Laden Mission.And then the
assassination of Gaddahfi { who tried to surrender }.
Does Obama stike fear in Russia.He does not.
Or China ... no way.Not even N.Korea.

 

Hezbollah's job is to keep Israel out of Southern Lebanon.. Sharon was always threatening to divert their rivers.

Yes.. the Iranians took over our Embassy because of the crimes of the Shah and our support of him.

 

Things in Iran are a little more complicated than the coloring book version of events.

Resignation and uprising

On 16 July 1952, during the royal approval of his new cabinet, Mosaddegh insisted on the constitutional prerogative of the prime minister to name a Minister of War and the Chief of Staff, something the Shah had done hitherto. The Shah refused, and Mosaddegh announced his resignation appealing directly to the public for support, pronouncing that "in the present situation, the struggle started by the Iranian people cannot be brought to a victorious conclusion".[28]

Veteran politician Ahmad Qavam (also known as Ghavam os-Saltaneh) was appointed as Iran's new prime minister. On the day of his appointment, he announced his intention to resume negotiations with the British to end the oil dispute, a reversal of Mosaddegh's policy. The National Front — along with various Nationalist, Islamist, and socialist parties and groups[29] — including Tudeh — responded by calling for protests, strikes and mass demonstrations in favor of Mosaddegh. Major strikes broke out in all of Iran's major towns, with the Bazaar closing down in Tehran. Over 250 demonstrators in Tehran, Hamadan, Ahvaz, Isfahan, and Kermanshah were killed or suffered serious injuries.[30]

After five days of mass demonstrations on Siyeh-i Tir (the 30th of Tir on the Iranian calendar), military commanders ordered their troops back to barracks, fearful of overstraining the enlisted men's loyalty and left Tehran in the hands of the protesters.[31] Frightened by the unrest, Shah dismissed Qavam and re-appointed Mosaddegh, granting him the full control of the military he had previously demanded.

[edit]Reinstatement and emergency powers

More popular than ever, a greatly strengthened Mosaddegh convinced parliament to grant him emergency powers for six months "to decree any law he felt necessary for obtaining not only financial solvency, but also electoral, judicial, and educational reforms".[32] Mosaddegh appointed Ayatollah Abol-Ghasem Kashani as house speaker. Kashani's Islamic scholars, as well as the Tudeh Party, proved to be two of Mosaddegh's key political allies, although relations with both were often strained.

With his emergency powers, Mosaddegh tried to strengthen the democratic political institutions by limiting the monarchy's unconstitutional powers,[33] cutting Shah's personal budget, forbidding him to communicate directly with foreign diplomats, transferring royal lands back to the state and expelling his politically active sister Ashraf Pahlavi.[31]

In January 1953 Mosaddegh successfully pressed Parliament to extend "emergency powers for another 12 months". With these powers, he decreed a land reform law that established village councils and increased the peasants' share of production.[32] This weakened the landed aristocracy, abolishing Iran's centuries-old feudal agriculture sector, replacing it with a system of collective farming and government land ownership. Mosaddegh saw these reforms as a means of checking the power of the Tudeh Party, which had been agitating for general land reform among the peasants.

However, during this time Iranians were "becoming poorer and unhappier by the day" thanks to the British boycott. Mosaddegh's political coalition began to fray, his enemies increased in number.[34]

Partly through the efforts of Iranians working as British agents, several former members of Mosaddegh's coalition turned against him. They included Mozzafar Baghai, head of the worker-based Toilers party; Hussein Makki, who had helped lead the takeover of the Abadan refinery and was at one point considered Mosadegh's heir apparent; and most outspokenly Ayatollah Kashani, who (*)(*)(*)(*)ed Mosaddegh with the "vitriol he had once reserved for the British".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh