Netanyahu: Israel will 'crush' Lebanon if Hezbollah attacks

In clear violation of the Geneva Convention to which Israel is a signatory. Why do you support war crimes?

 

Please quote the relevant passage in the Geneva Convention Israel is allegedly violating on the Golan Heights.

 

What a load of drivel! The ancestors of current Palestinians have lived in Palestine going back thousands of years and many of those ancient Palestinians were originally Jewish before converting to Islam. Where do you think that the original Muslims came from, from thin air? Even the original name of the area was Palestinia

 

I'm afraid that we are way off the topic of this thread but I didn't want to ignore your Post.

As I mentioned earlier, the Palestinians, I feel, are justified in seeing themselves as resisting foreign invader/occupiers since they have resided in Palestine/Israel for centuries, maintained ancient olive groves & sustained themselves from other agrarian pursuits depending on the land for generations.

They, it appears, consider Palestine/Israel to be their land as stridently as the more recently arrived foreign Jewish colonists who began to populate the land in the 1880s. They still comprised only a small percent of Palestine's population as late as the 1920 "British Census & Survey of Mandatory Palestine".

The 1948 UN Partition of Palestine which disproportionately rewarded the more recently arrived Zionist colonists only served to make a bad situation worse and the fighting since then is a long and tragic story.

I don't see where it is constructive to demonize either side but feel that the Jews of all people should be able to empathize with people who have endured massacres, been robbed of their homes and herded into what are essentially fractured ghettos.

As far as negotiating a peace, the Palestinians have nothing more to give & the current Israeli government shows no interest in making the concessions essential for a peaceful co existence(1).

I feel that all but the most radical elements in Palestinian society would agree & adhere to a just and durable peace offer but as long as incessant & unconditional US aid is continued, the Israeli government has no real incentive to do anything but continue the ethnic cleansing that many Israelis support(2).

I'm afraid that as long as the extremists on both sides seem to be calling the shots (no pun intended), the cycle of violence is destined to continue certainly through my lifetime.



(1) "Israel Does Not Want Peace"
http://www.haaretz.com/peace/1.601112

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone"CONTINUED


(2) “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html

 

Muslims come from Arabia, about the sixth century.
There were Arabs mentioned in the bible as having been in the
land of Israel - as rare minorities. You read lots about Amnon,
Edom, Amelek, Assyria, Egypt etc but not that much about the
Arabians.
But yes, I accept that both Jew and Arab have ancient claims
to this land - only that the Jew has a much older claim and the
Jew is subject to the most ancient of all racist hatreds and
vulnerable in the lands they lived. That's not the case with the
Arabs of the Levant - they can go anywhere in the Arab world.
The Jews took back one tenth of one percent of the Middle
East to rebuild their ancient commonwealth.
Palestine, I understand, is derived from the name of the
Philistines - hailing from Crete, Cyprus and other Mediterranean
countries.

 

Screw Geneva, if Israel did not occupy the Golan heights they would be under constant attack even closer the heart of Israel.
I do not support the war crimes committed repeated by Syria, Jordan,Egypt, Iran.

These countries have forfeited any rights. If Israel invaded and conquered all of them they'd be well within their rights and any definition of common decency.

 

The Bible is not a history book. Many Arabs were nomadic and lived in the whole of the Middle East including the land now known as Israel. There was a constant trading route between Asia, Europe and Africa and Arabs were the main trading third party dealers between the three continents. It stands to reason that the ancient people of Israel/Palestine would significantly comprise of Arabs as all traders tend to set up bases from where to conduct businesses. Palestinians are descendants of those Arabs who converted to Islam and of Jews who stayed Jewish and of Jews who converted to Islam. There is a reason why there are Christian Arabs.

As for Palestinia, here is a map circa 43CE (reconstructed) - over 2000 years ago
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Karte_Pomponius_Mela_rotated.jpg

Showing the land known as Palestinia

 

Irrelevant. From 1945 to present is what matters.

 

LOL . Suddenly it's irrelevant after being shown the truth

 

No I'm saying that the world made a decision that Israel would become what it was. Then Arabs attacked, repeatedly. Whatever Israel chooses to do for it's defense is justified. Israel's neighbors gave up their right to a voice in what happens there by their constant violence against them.
As far as i am concerned Israel should take whatever lsnd they want.

 

Please point to archeological and other historical evidence of an ancient native non-Jewish Palestinian people who have lived in Palestine going back thousands of years. It should be quite easy, considering how coveted this area has been throughout history - ancient Egypt, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Arabs, Crusaders, Ottomans, Napoleon, Egypt again. There must be mentions of a millennia old native non-Jewish Palestinian nation in some of the documents uncovered by archeologists.

Until evidence to the contrary is brought forth, the Palestinian families can be easily traced to their places of origin - Masri to Egypt, Badir to Morocco, Tamimi to the Bedouin tribe in the Arabian Peninsula, Hariri to Lebanon, Erekat to the northwestern Arabian Peninsual (Howaitat clan), Dogmush clan to Turkey (kidnappers of Alan Johnston), and the list goes on.

Please keep in mind that family names are paramount in the Arab world. An adopted child will keep his own father's family name, not the adoptive family name. Converted Jews should have different family names compared to Arab family names, as happened in Morocco, where Jewish converts to Islam have family names reminiscent of their original Jewish names.

 

I understand that the bible, unlike most religious book, IS a history book.
It's one reason why the bible survived in Israel at times when the Jews
themselves had largely rejected it. It was still respected as the nation's
history.
When we read the New Testament for instance, we can take it for granted
that the towns, cities, nations, priests, kings, emperors and empires actually
did exist. You don't have to accept the spiritual aspects, but you can't deny
the historic background.
Yes, Arabs could have traveled through the Levant in "bible times." I think
Galilee was on the route of the camel trains. But that's not the same as
saying Arabs were a significant group in Israel. They weren't.

 

The jews were arabs too.

https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/palestinians-and-jews-share-genetic-roots-1.5411201

Jews break down into three genetic groups, all of which have Middle Eastern origins – which are shared with the Palestinians and Druze.

 

Jews have lived on the territory of present day Iraq for 2500 years, long before Arabs. Behold the native Jewish Iraqi nation. Give them Iraq.

Jews have lived in Egypt for more than 2000 years, long before Arabs. Behold the native Jewish Egyptian nation. Give them Egypt.

Jews have lived in Yemen for some 2000 years. There was once a Jewish kingdom in Yemen. Behold the native Jewish Yemeni nation. Give them Yemen.

Wanna talk about the Jewish tribes in the Arabian Peninsula, slaughtered by Muhammad according to Muslim writings? Surprise - Jews were all over the Middle East, too. So many native Jewish nations, only one tiny country for them all. Not fair.

As for Pannonia, here's a map from the 17th century:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...Pannonia_and_Illyria_by_Abraham_Ortelius.jpeg

Give Pannonia back to the native Pannonian nation, I say.

 

It's a bit disingenuous to say that.
It's like asking why we had a cold war when Russian Slavs are closely
related to Western Europeans.
These groups you mention are Semites. They are related. I suppose
Druze and Palestinians have Jewish DNA as most Jews don't belong
to the house of Israel today but were dispersed amongst the nations.
It has been suggested that had the Jews don't dispersed then today
there could have been several hundred million of them - so that's a
lot of Jews contributing to Arab blood.

 

Do you realise that you are supporting what I wrote....Many Jews converted to Islam. The ancestral Muslims in Palestine did not spring out of thin air, they were initially Jewish or Christian or atheist or polytheists etc. The Jewish religion is older than the other Abrahamic religions hence it is obvious that Jews lived all over the Middle East. Many of the Jews that lived in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt 1500 years ago etc converted to Islam

 

All people can be traced back to somewhere. That does not mean that the current Palestinians do not have ancestors that lived in Palestine or Israel 1500 years ago

 

No its not disingenuous at all and your analogy is nonsense.

Semite is a language group. not a racial group. Jews are a religion and culture. There is no jewish genotype.

 

Nice of you to support war crime. By the way, how is building settlements in the Golen Heights provide safety for their citizens? It's again put them closer to danger.

 

I think it can all be pointed to Muslims, and not the different ethnic groups.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights_Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_497

 

After what it's neighbors have done to them nothing Israel does to it's neighbors could be called a crime. Israel has shown great restraint by not conquering and subjugating Egypt, Syria Jordan and Lebanon. That's what they deserve.

 

Obviously as Israel takes more land she believes she is in more danger. Funnily enough the US State department at the time of the UN suggestion of Partition foresaw that Israel would always be fighting and would always be claiming it needed to take more land for security. It had Zionists correct to a T. Since the 90's Israel no longer thinks of finding a way to live peacefully with her neighbours. A report came out for Netanyahu called Clean Break suggesting that instead the ME should be working on destroying Arab states which Israel found difficult, deviding them up and removing their power. Some of the people who wrote this also wrote the PNAC and were advising Bush before he got started on same. Iran is the country they still wish destroyed.

 

In other words, you want Israel to wipe out its Arab's neighbors? How quaint.

 

No I'd say that given how their Arab neighbors have treated them such actions would be justified. Egypt, Syria and Jordan have been horrible to Israel.