Netanyahu steps up appeal to French Jews after attacks

Asking a person question is not accusing him! It's just asking questions regarding to what he (= you) wrote.

I asked you about Prof. Stone and Sir Elihu Lauterpacht are nobodys. (or in other words that their professional statments need to be dismissed).
I already will give you:

Maybe it's time for you to stop putting words in my mouth. How about that?

I did ask you if Attorney Howard Grief lied, and you answered me that he was. The evidence is:

Your answers about those questions wouldnt be to attack me. It's will be just an answers to questions.

Then if you say that the ICJ, Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 80 which is in the UN Charter, "The Mandate for "Palestine" are all wrong, then why are you trying to show me that I'm wrong with organization and documents (= ICJ, UN Charter, Fourth Geneva Convention and the Mandate) that you say that they are wrong?

How can it be that the ICJ are right if you just said that ICJ is wrong? One of the questions for you was:

And you replied:

Thus the ICJ, like the rest (like Fourth GC, Article 80 from the UN and historical document) are wrong. You are contradicting yourself!

 

you ask offensive and loaded questions.

you ask people, if they are calling people "liars".

this is a very loaded question, and its immature baiting.

 

Its very simple:

The combined views and decisions of the International Court of Justice, the United Nations Security Council, and the Israeli Supreme Court, that the West Bank is under Israeli Occupation, and that it is ILLEGAL for Israel to confiscate private land in the West Bank for purely civilian settlements, outweighs the views of individual lawyers.

Its that simple.

 

Furthermore, the combined judgements of the UN Security Council, the International Court of Justice, and the former council to the Israeli Foreign Ministry that civilian-only settlements in the West Bank are illegal, outweighs the views of a couple obscure lawyers.

As a member of the United Nations and a signatory to the UN Charter, Israel is obliged to comply with all UN Security Council resolutions, which includes the many resolutions ordering them to reverse the annexation of the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem. Israel's failure to comply with these resolutions shows the utmost contempt to the most important international organization in human history and disrespect to the world family of nations.

 

These people are entitled to their opinions. They remain simply post facto opinions and the UN is quite clear on the matter, hence the astonishing number of condemnatory Resolutions vis-a-vis Israel.

 

I asked you if Sir Elihu Lauterpacht and Prof. Stone are nobodys, and didnt ask you if they were liars. Stop putting words in my mouth!!

I didnt asked questions that were offensive to you. I just asked you questions regarding what you wrote.

How can it be that the ICJ is right if you just said that ICJ is wrong? One of the questions for you was:

And you replied:

Thus the ICJ, like the rest (like Fourth GC, Article 80 from the UN and historical document) are wrong. You are contradicting yourself!

 

Hmm, I wonder then why a Jew founded a newspaper and called it the Palestine Post for somewhere which never existed...
It is now the Jerusalem Post.
http://web.nli.org.il/sites/jpress/english/Pages/palestine-post.aspx

 

I could have sworn I saw the word 'Palestine' on old maps. I must of been dreaming.

 

Yes, me too. Oh yes, here's one I made earlier...https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=p...idarity.org%2Fresources%2Fmaps.html;2500;3629

(Obviously a hallucination)

 

According to Article 7 from "The Mandate for Palestine" states:

Source: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

Thus, the use of the word "Palstine" in the "Palestine Post" was refered to the Jewish home land (or in other words- The Land of Israel), as you can see in "The Mandate for Palestine". But "Palestine" as we all know today was never existed!!

 

Hmm. Jews wanted to set up home in a land they called Palestine-which never existed. Keep telling yourself that. Oh, and seeing as Palestine is 99% of the way to being officially recognised as a state you better get those Kleenex ready for all the weeping you'll be doing...
Oh, and by the way, the Palestine Post was established in 1932. There was no Jewish homeland in existence to refer to then, nor was there a Land of Israel. Seems Palestine 'never existed' for a very long time...

 

"Palestine" until 1948 it was refering to The Land of Israel, after Hadrian changed it's name.
"Palestine" from 1948 till nowadays- as the Arabs and you refer to, was never existed!!

And if you want to keep say "Palestine" then you need to say also "Aelia Capitolina" instead of Jerusalem.

According to "The Mandate for Palestine", The Land of Israel (or as you call it "Palestine") was regarding to the Jewish homeland. "The Mandate for Palestine" was before 1932. So by that, in 1932. "Palestine" was been refered to the Jewish homeland.

 

100% false!!!!

Hadrian didn't change the name of Israel.

he changed the name of the Roman Province of Judaea.

and he didn't change the name to "Palestine".

He changed the name to "Syria Palaestina".

so if you're going to nitpick about proper termonology, do it right!!!!!!

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you have it backwards, as The Palestine Mandate never once mentions "the Land of Israel".

 

they may not be nobodys, but they are still WRONG!!!

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i said the ICJ is "wrong"???

when the (*)(*)(*)(*) did I say that?

the next time you falsely accuse me of making a statement I clearly did not make, I report you for trolling.

 

lol!!! the ICJ said that Israel is Occupying the West Bank, the settlements are illegal, and the annexation of East Jerusalem. You should stop now before you dig a deeper hole.

The 4th GC clearly covers the West Bank and says that Occupier cannot take private land and use for purely civilian settlements.

Article 80 says that the rights afforded by a League of Nations mandate can expire when the mandate expires.

You have lost the debate.

 

I know. Once again what I said to Snakestrecher:

Please read the comments before replying.

"Palestine" was the name that been used to call The Land of Israel until 1948. In "The Mandate for Palestine", it stated that "Palestine" will be the place where Jewish homeland will be reconstitute:

I already showed you that, but you prefer to ignore it.

"The Mandate for Palestine" was before 1932, thus, the name "Palestine" in the "Palestine Psot" was refered to the Jewish homeland.

 

Your answer to my questions that regarded 4th GC and ICJ (what you are now re-using it), was that they were wrong.
In comment #499 your answer to my questions was: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=391231&page=50&p=1064656580#post1064656580

When the two questions from the bunch were:

The Mandate (that Article 80 keeps it valid) wasnt over because it wasnt been fulfilled! And if so, are you saying that the West Bank and Gaza are part of the state of Israel?

 

the Palestine Mandate also says this:

"No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants of Palestine on the ground of race, religion or language. No person shall be excluded from Palestine on the sole ground of his religious belief. "
The Mandate also says that the only rights that shall last past the expiration of the Mandate are:

"In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Council of the League of Nations shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the League, the rights secured by Articles 13 and 14"which are:

"ARTICLE 13. All responsibility in connection with the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites in Palestine, including that of preserving existing rights and of securing free access to the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites and the free exercise of worship, while ensuring the requirements of public order and decorum, is assumed by the Mandatory, who shall be responsible solely to the League of Nations in all matters connected herewith, provided that nothing in this article shall prevent the Mandatory from entering into such arrangements as he may deem reasonable with the Administration for the purpose of carrying the provisions of this article into effect; and provided also that nothing in this mandate shall be construed as conferring upon the Mandatory authority to interfere with the fabric or the management of purely Moslem sacred shrines, the immunities of which are guaranteed.

ARTICLE 14. A special commission shall be appointed by the Mandatory to study, define and determine the rights and claims in connection with the Holy Places and the rights and claims relating to the different religious communities in Palestine. The method of nomination, the composition and the functions of this Commission shall be submitted to the Council of the League for its approval, and the Commission shall not be appointed or enter upon its functions without the approval of the Council."


and most importantly, the Mandate states:

"it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non(*)Jewish communities in Palestine"



Israel is in violation of soo many of these articles and requirements, that its not even funny.

No wonder Israel wants to bankrupt the ICC, as they will be found guilty of war crimes and violating the Palestine Mandate in 20 minutes.

 

Mandate was fulfilled the day the UN recognized Israel as a member state, in 1949.

 

That's why there are Mosques in Israel?
That's why the Arabs can go pray in the Dome of the Rock?
That's why Arabs can vote in the elections?
That's why Arabs can demonstrate?
That's why Arabs can be politicains? (AKA Tibi, Zuabi etc.)
That's why Arabs enjoy geting money from governmental officies?
That's why Arabs can study in the Israeli univirsities?
That's why Arabs can work in Israel?
That's why Arabs can use public transportation?
And the list goes on.

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So does the West Bank and Gaza are part of the state of Israel? if no, then the Mandate wasnt fulfilled!

 

Like I said from the outset, he cherry picks from the Mandate and uses deflecting tactics clearly because he has an agenda. I'm experienced enough of a poster to know a troll when I see one and he fits the bill perfectly. I grasped that straight away which is why I put him on ignore.

 

in 1948, Israel kicked out hundreds of thousands of non-Jews.

in 1949, Israel kicked out tens of thousands more non-Jews.

Israel has destroyed hundreds of Mosques.

Israel has stolen lots of private property of non-Jews in Israel.

Israel has stolen lots of private property of non-Jews in the West Bank.

in 1967, Israel pushed hundreds of thousands of non-Jews into Jordan.

It is illegal for an an Israeli citizen to bring their Palestinian spouse in the West Bank, to Israel.

It is illegal for the word "Naqba" to appear in public school textbooks.

Israel's immigration policy discriminates against non-Jews.

the list goes on and on.

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Mandate never says all of Palestine will become the Jewish homeland.

sorry.

 

That's why Arabs can vote in the elections?
That's why Arabs can demonstrate?
That's why Arabs can be politicains? (AKA Tibi, Zuabi etc.)
That's why Arabs enjoy geting money from governmental officies?
That's why Arabs can study in the Israeli univirsities?
That's why Arabs can work in Israel?
That's why Arabs can use public transportation?

That's why there are Mosques in Israel?
That's why the Arabs can go pray in the Dome of the Rock?

So are you saying Israel is obeying and obeyed the laws in the West Bank, as Jordan was obeying is bad?

Arabs willingly left to Jordan between 1948-1967. Thats why you can see "Palestinians" there. Which dont enjoy rights in Jordan.

Israel granted Israeli citizenship to those who live in the West Bank and have femilies inside Israel. They are allowed to come visit them, and that's what they do.

I learned about it.

There are immigration laws in the EU countries that benefit with EU citizens, why the discrimination?

So you say that the West Bank and Gaza wasnt part of "Palestine"? If so, then the inspiration of the Arabs of having an Arab country in the '67 lines are wrong!! Because the West Bank and Gaza are not part of "Palestine".

 

As you know, but for the benefit of others:

"Israel was established by a European racist and settler colonial ideology through the use of carefully and deliberately fabricated myths. Unlike classical settler colonialism, Zionism and Zionists do not maintain an umbilical cord to a mother European country nor plans to exploit local natives and resources. Zionism and Zionists argue for close cooperation with disposable surrogate superpower(s), complete control of resources, and the expulsion of the indigenous population, the Palestinians. Zionism and Zionists claim that Palestine was desolate and the Palestinians never existed. The clear motive behind the myths is to justify the establishment of Israel in Palestine as a Jewish state and the gathering of Jews therein. Myths that are often repeated give ways to delusional mindset. Zionism and Zionists concluded that Palestine will become a home for the Jewish state regardless of the wishes of the Palestinians and in order to achieve this objective, the inhabitants will be ethnically cleansed. There are two main lies that the Zionists regurgitate: Palestine was desolate and there is no such a thing as Palestinians. Was Palestine desolate? Did the Palestinians exist in history?

Zionism, as practiced by Israel since 1948, is a racist ideology manifested in several ways. It is an archaic political ideology that holds and promotes Jewish racial purity and divine entitlement to Palestine. It is a military occupation enabling and supporting colonialist settlers. It practices ethnic cleansing through the confiscation of land and the expulsion of indigenous Palestinians. It exercises political domination and exploitation through the denial of basic human rights under the guise of divine entitlement and the spread of Western values. In short, Zionism in Israel today practices political, economic, cultural domination and persecution through control, systematic destruction, ethnic cleansing and genocide against the indigenous presence and heritage.

In Israel, the historical record shows that:

1. Zionism is a segregationist movement founded on the premise that all Jews, regardless of cultural differences and religious observance, are one nation, and cannot be secure except in a state of their own, because the non-Jewish world is inherently hostile to Jews. Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, argued that the key to establishing a Jewish homeland in Palestine was to harness European anti-Semitism for the realization of the Jewish State by encouraging European governments to rid their countries of Jews. “Herzl regarded Zionism's triumph as inevitable, not only because life in Europe was ever more untenable for Jews, but also because it was in Europe's interests to [get] rid [of] the Jews and [be] relieved of anti-Semitism: The European political establishment would eventually be persuaded to promote Zionism. Herzl recognized that anti-Semitism would be HARNESSED to his own–Zionist-purposes.”(1) Many years later in Rome, Ariel Sharon as prime minister of Israel, stated: "If Israel is weakened … the Jews worldwide will not be able to live the lives they live today … We are witness to a great wave of anti-Semitism, and apart from the usual anti-Semitism against Jews, there is today the added hate of the collective Jew, which is Israel… The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews."(2)

2. Zionism practices a racist colonial-settler ideology which claims that historical Palestine was desolate and uninhabited and that the Palestinian people never existed. Before Palestine had been selected by the Zionists to be the site of their new state, Theodor Herzl himself acknowledged in his 1896 book, “The Jewish State”, that both Palestine and Argentina were populated, saying that “f the Powers show themselves willing to grant the Jewish people sovereignty over a neutral territory, the Society [of Jews] will negotiate for the land to be taken. Two regions are possibilities: Palestine and Argentina. Noteworthy experiments in colonization have been made in both places, although they have been based on the mistaken principle of a gradual infiltration of Jews. Infiltration is always bound to end badly. For there invariably comes a moment when the government, under pressure of the native population–which feels itself threatened–bars any further influx of Jews. Consequently, emigration will be pointless unless it is based upon our guaranteed sovereignty.”

Leo Motzkin, another Zionist leader, wrote of his disappointment upon visiting Palestine and, finding the country densely inhabited and its fertile land utilized by its Arab natives, wrote: “One has to admit that the density of population does not exactly put the visitor to Palestine in a joyful mood. In large stretches of land, one constantly comes across big Arab villages, and it is a well-established fact that the most fertile regions of our land are occupied by Arabs.”

The fact that Palestine was inhabited and fertile did not deter the Zionists from perpetuating the big lie that it was desolate and uninhabited. At the end of the nineteenth century, the Zionists, as an integral part of their scheme to colonize Palestine, began using the slogan “A land without a people for a people without a land' referring to Palestine.

The British Zionist Israel Zangwill, who visited Palestine in 1897, became so obsessed with this slogan that he consequently authored several versions of it to the point where it is often attributed to him. In using this slogan, the Zionists were deliberately trying to convince themselves and the world that Palestine was desolate and uninhabited and thus it was permissible to colonize it. This myth continued to be repeated to deceive the world, such that in 1969 Prime Minister Golda Meir stated in public that “There was no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist.”

In the few instances where Zionists conceded the existence of the indigenous population, they were labeled as “savages”, “barbarians” or “terrorists”. Zangwill wrote: “…the people living in Palestine were not a people with a history, culture, and legitimate claim to national self-determination of their own; to the extent than any of this existed, it was regarded as inferior in value to the history, culture, and claim of the Jewish people. Put differently, Palestine contained ‘people’, but not a people’. There were people who (possibly) had their homeland there, but they lacked a national identity and thus had no claim to national self-determination, let alone a state.”

The denial of the very existence of the Palestinian people and the process employed to demonize them enables Israel to this day to justify its brutal practices against them. Even when one finds some ‘humane’ Zionists who advocate some rights for the Palestinians, their advocacy never amounts to granting Palestinians the same rights enjoyed by Jews. This fact was not missed by David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first Prime Minister, who ridiculed ‘humane’ Zionists when he said; “You cannot have humane Zionism, it is a contradiction in terms.”
According to Israel’s Basic Law, Jews, regardless of their country of origin or ethnicity, can settle in Israel on land that was confiscated by force after the expulsion of the majority of the indigenous Palestinians. In an essay titled “Judea and Galilee,” Ben Gurion describes the Zionist settlers in Palestine as “conquering, conquering a land. We were a company of conquistadors.”

Such ideological discourse prompted the late professor Israel Shahak to conclude: “It is my considered opinion that the State of Israel is a racist state in the full meaning of this term: In this state people are discriminated against, in the most permanent and legal way and in the most important areas of life, only because of their origin. This racist discrimination began in Zionism and is carried out today mainly in co-operation with the institutions of the Zionist movement.”(11)

3. Zionism distinguishes between Jews and Palestinians on various levels and its laws and practices are designed to keep them apart. All Jews in the world are considered ‘nationals’ of Israel, whereas a mere portion of Palestinians are considered citizens. Through the enactment of several laws, including but not limited to the Absentee Property Law 1950, the Land Acquisition Law 1953, and the Basic Law: Israel Lands 1960, Israel has confiscated lands belonging to those Palestinians who were uprooted and expelled from their properties and later declared as absentees and prevented by Israel from returning to it and from Palestinians who remained under its control. Israel established various schemes to keep, manage, and utilize Palestinian confiscated land for the benefit of Jews only.

According to the Israel Land Administration Authority (ILA), the Israeli government agency responsible for managing this land, Israel owns approximately 93% of the total land “… that is, either property of the state, the Jewish National Fund (JNF) or the development Authority.”(12) The land is comprised of 4,820,500 acres. Ownership of land according to ILA means leasing rights for 49-98 years. Palestinians, therefore, are treated merely as tillers and tenants on Jewish land and it is only a matter of time before they are completely expelled as were their predecessors. After expelling the majority of the Palestinians from Palestine in 1948-49, Israel concentrated on cleansing the Galilee of its indigenous people.(13)

4. Zionism is, in its campaign to segregate the Jews and to establish an exclusive Jewish state, derived from the narrow tribal understanding of Judaism that the cosmos is divided into five parts: plants, vegetables, animals, human beings and Jews – Jews being the noblest and the closest to God. This fanatic religious view is clearly reflected by Rabbi Yosef Ovadia, former Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel, who advocates the annihilation of the Palestinians on the basis that they are not Jews. "It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."(14) Unfortunately, the views of the Chief Rabbi on non-Jews are not only shared by some Jews, but it is becoming a central belief of American Christian-Zionists. "Gentiles were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel."(15)

5. In addition to annihilating the Palestinians, the Zionist advocacy regarding the indigenous population is centered on four options:

a. A systematic attempt at purchasing the land of Palestine from the Palestinians and colonizing it through Jewish immigration for the benefit of Jews only. The Israeli historian Benny Morris described this thinking when he said: "The early Zionists had been aware of the Arab presence in the country–there were just under half a million around 1882, the year the first Zionists came ashore in Jaffa. And there were, at the time, some twenty-five thousand Jews in the country."(16) Writing in 1882 Eliezer Ben-Yehuda wrote: "The thing we must do now is to become as strong as we can, to conquer the country, covertly, bit by bit . . . buy, buy, buy [the land from the Arabs]."(17) Writing decades before the holocaust in Europe, Ben-Yehuda and many other Zionist leaders believed that the country’s demographics would be changed through Jewish immigration which would ultimately alter its future to favor the Zionist scheme to colonize Palestine. Early Zionist leaders were not fully convinced that the Palestinians would sell their land and cooperate in their own colonization. Accurately predicting the swift and predictable reaction of the Palestinian Arabs to the Zionist colonial scheme through immigration, Herzl warned in 1896 that their objection and resistance could bring Jewish immigration to an end. Vladimir Jabotinsky, writing in 1923, argued that the consent of and agreements with Palestinian Arabs to hand over their country to the Zionists was not necessary: “There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting ‘Palestine’ from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.” (1 He continued: “We cannot offer any adequate compensation to the Palestinian Arabs in return for Palestine. And therefore, there is no likelihood of any voluntary agreement being reached. So that all those who regard such an agreement as a condition sine qua non for Zionism may as well say ‘non’ and withdraw from Zionism. Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population.”(19)

b. “eing crushed like grasshoppers,” as Israel’s former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir wrote in Hehazit: “We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: ‘Ye shall blot them out to the last man’.”(20) This genocidal view has been shared by many in Israel including several Prime Ministers such as Begin, Sharon, and Netanyahu.

c. There is no room for non-Jews in the Jewish state. Rehavam Zeevi, then Israel‘s Minister of Tourism, described Palestinians as living “illegally” in Israel. He is quoted as saying: “We should get rid of the ones who are not Israeli citizens the same way you get rid of lice. We have to stop this cancer from spreading within us.” In 1983, Raphael Eitan, then Israel's military chief of staff, speaking of plans to increase Jewish settlements in the occupied territories, said: “When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle.” This racist ideological view in Israeli governing Zionist circles is widespread and determines Israel’s policies and practices toward the Palestinians.

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-role-of-the-united-states-in-israel.html

 

Yo put me on ignore because you doesnt want to debate with me and answer my questions.