Nevada doctor's selfie used to claim COVID-19 is a hoax

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unbelievable; Trump still endorsing conspiracy theory that the virus is a hoax!!!


    I mean, is this guy deranged or something? Or just plain evil?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/reno-doctors-selfie-used-claim-002208466.html

    Or is this scorched earth so that his gullible followers keep believing that it's a hoax, keep spreading it, to better sabotage the Biden administration?

    I can't believe that after Trump himself got sick and was saved by an advanced treatment (Regeneron's monoclonal antibodies), he is retweeting conspiracy theories calling the virus a hoax.
     
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    He only cares about his base and they believe all his lies, so he will continue to pander to them while they fork over 100s of millions of $$$
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's criminal. What's the point of implying that the virus is a hoax? When he wanted to minimize if for electoral purpose, it was despicable but understandable, but the election is over and this idiot continues to imply that it is a hoax???
     
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    Because all he is knows is lying and will never admit to ever being wrong
     
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    Unbelievable; Trump still endorsing conspiracy theory that the virus is a hoax!!!

    It is the reaction to the virus that is a hoax. Government stirred up hysteria about it before even knowing how dangerous it is.
     
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    >265,000 dead, >160,000 new cases per day, >1,000 dead per day, one American dying of covid every minute, hospitals becoming overwhelmed. But, sure, the reaction to covid is a hoax.

    WAKE UP.
     
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    Over 99% of those infected survive. Contagious? Yes. Dangerous? Not so much. WAKE UP.
     
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    Except it's not just about the number of deaths (which clearly no one you know has died from COVID). Hospitals are being overrun with COVID patients. This causes all sorts of problems like shortage of staff due to doctors and nurses getting COVID. It's to the point that retired doctors and nurse are being asked to come in to help. When hospitals are overwhelmed and doctors and nurses are stretched thin it can affect the level of patient care. I dunno, my mother is 73, if she ended up in the hospital due to COVID I'd want her to get the best care possible.
    Also, when hospitals get overrun like this, elective surgeries get put on hold. Now, you may say, so what it's just elective surgery. Did you know things like inguinal hernia surgery, cataract surgery, mastectomy for breast cancer, and the donation of a kidney by a living donor are all considered elective surgeries? Those are things I would not want to have to put off for too long.
    Some states are even preparing to set up field hospitals to try to handle the overflow of patients. That should tell you the severity of the situation.
     
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    Can you please show where and when the virus was isolated, purified and cultured.
    Additionally show which pure virus culture was used to sequence the genome.
    While your at it, show which human cell lines the virus has been grown in, demonstrating capability of human infectivity.
    Also tell us the number of nucleotide bases represented by the PCR probes, and their overlap with identical complimentary base sequences in known human, bacterial and viral genomes. Then tell us how many PCR probes exist and how many the tests in the US are utilizing. Lastly, please detail the the reliability of results of the PCR test once 35 amplification cycles are utilized, per DrFauci, and how many cycles we run in US labs.

    Thanks in advance
     
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    Your citation doesn't support your thread title. Nor does it support your assertions. and Yahoo as a news feed? seriously?
     
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    Once we were able to detect all the cases, the mortality rate turns out to be about 0.3%, about the same or even a little better than influenza.
     
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    Are people really this ignorant of the English language? Nowhere in the article or retweet of a picture is a claim that the virus is a hoax.
     
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    The only thing overwhelming hospitals is the hoops they have to jump through with all of the false positives on old people being admitted with hip fractures and UTIs.

    ICU and hospital censuses are high every year at this time
     
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    Yep, apparently SOME people are this ignorant of the English language, since the article OPENS with this phrase:

    "A photo of a hospital’s alternative care site in Reno, Nevada, is being misrepresented on social media to fuel the false narrative that the coronavirus pandemic is a hoax."

    So, come again, "Nowhere in the article"??? What part of this you didn't understand???

    Wow. Just wow. Un-freaking-believable!

    (The most you can say is that I said "the virus is a hoax" - that's you playing with semantics, because obviously I just used "the virus is a hoax" as a short for "the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus pandemic is a hoax" - if the letter of the statement varies a tiny bit, the spirit remains; if you want to split hairs, so be it; consider my phrase to be re-written as above).

    By the way, the personal attack that I am ignorant of the English language - something quite outrageous to say given that this is the language I'm obviously using, and proficiently so - is noted and dismissed.

    I'll tell you what, Hoosier8, I'm sick and tired. Good bye, farewell, have a nice day, and have a nice and safe life.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You obviously have no medical knowledge whatsoever if you think that this virus is not dangerous. Survival is not all. 20% to 30% of survivors are showing up with severe and permanent organ damage, such as pulmonary fibrosis with permanent shortness of breath, chronic fatigue, cognitive issues (brain fog), strokes, pulmonary embolism, kidney insufficiency, heart rhythm problems, chronic myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle fibers) that is the kind that usually progress to heart failure, blood clots in limbs, and other ailments.

    So, it's not a dangerous virus? Go talk to people who have survived but are facing these consequences. Look at the German study out of Frankfurt that found 78% of Covid-19 survivors with heart lesions, and 60% of them with the dangerous kind of myocarditis. I've posted the link here, multiple times. These findings were located in people of all ages, including asymptomatic and mild cases, and including those with no pre-existing medical condition.

    If you want to play with fire, be my guest. The full impact and the full consequences of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic are not yet fully expressed, and the more time it passes, the worse it gets, both in increasing number of fatalities, and increased number of sequelae (which is the term used for the consequences of an illness).

    This situation is similar to the initial dismissal of the Epstein-Barr virus as harmless, in its mild acute infection. Oh oops, later it became clear that the virus causes Hodgkin's and non-Hodgkin's lymphomas (a lethal form of cancer). So much for it not being dangerous.

    Viruses are unpredictable. It's best not to catch them. This one is nasty, given its predilection for causing lesions in two sites: the endothelium (inner layer) of small blood vessels - which is what causes the brain lesions, the kidney lesions, the blood clots, and the pulmonary fibrosis - and the heart muscle fibers. People should not underestimate the threat, or some of them may regret it for the rest of their (shortened and curtailed) lives.

    Sure, most people recover with no issues. But let's not even go to the 30% described by some experts, or the 60% to 78% described in the German study. Let's just say 20%. One in five. That's worse than a Russian roulette. Is that what you want? Sure, 80% recover just fine but 20% do not. In my book, that's pretty darn dangerous.

    I think you're the one who needs to WAKE UP.
     
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    Your dangerous is my hysteria.
     
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    And we haven't detected all cases because we haven't tested everybody.
     
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    False in two regards. The current calculation that DOES take into account the likely undetected cases is 0.65%. And not even if you think of 0.3%, it's "about the same or even a little better than influenza" because influenza's is 0.1% in the overwhelming majority of years (every several years or decades there is a more aggressive strain, true). Like I said in post #16, the death toll is not all, though. While influenza can have some of the consequences listed above for the SARS-CoV-2, they are exceedingly rare for the influenza virus, and seem to be quite common for the SARS-CoV-2, a virus that is more aggressive than the influenza virus, any way you look into it.

    Just to give you one example: the CDC has looked into the average of daily deaths due to the influenza virus and how it peaks, for the last 31 seasons. The result is that at peak, the average of daily influenza deaths is 64. Well, the SARS-CoV-2 peaked in April/May to a maximum of 2,730 daily deaths, and spent more than six weeks killing more than 1,400 people daily. That's a bit more than 64, huh? And there we go, we've been getting to the high totals again, and it hasn't even been one year since if first got to us.

    I can't believe that after the ordeal we've been through for the last 9 months and is not over yet, and is actually getting worse now (like the Spanish Flu, when the third wave was worse than the first two), there are still those who try to compare this to the flu.

    Un-freaking-believable!

    Were you dismissing it because it was the official partisan line at the time of the presidential elections? Hint: the election is over, and the virus is out of control. So much for the idea that it would all go away on November 4th, which is of course preposterous because this is a PANdemic, as in, the whole 215 countries on Earth, and for the other 214, November 4th was inconsequential. To suppose that a PANdemic exists at the whim of America's domestic politics, is something so surreal, so out of touch with reality, that I don't know what else to say.
     
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    Knowing a number of doctors and nurses, you'll forgive me if I take their word over the word of random guy on the internet.
     
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    None of that is worth putting hundreds of thousands of businesses out of business.
     
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    >2,500 deaths today, surpassing 270,000 total now. At the current rate, we'll surpass the WWII battle deaths of 291,500 in 10 days. Not dangerous? You gotta be kidding.
     
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    Sure, pal, sure. I certainly hope for your sake that you or one of your loved ones is not among the one-in-five people who come out of this with permanent organ damage. If it happens, God forbid, you'll very rapidly change your mind, like many have (frequently in the news you see about faces of previously deniers, who get the virus and don't fare so well, then try to warn others to take it more seriously).

    Hysteria, paranoia, etc., apply to imaginary or delusional dangers. When one looks at a REAL danger and rationally tries to avoid it, the appropriate descriptor is prudence, something that regarding this, you seem to lack.
     
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    Did I say anything about that? I'm actually against lockdowns. I'm for a lot of prudence and sensible precautions, while we wait for the vaccines, which thank God are very effective and look very safe.
     
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    It's just common curtesy.

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