Never can Iran have a Nuclear Weapon

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  1. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    We were asked by East Timor to go there, and go there we did.

    You are free to ask your questions and I am free to ask mine. I'll stick to what right does America have etc.
     
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    Vote Trump out of office and rejoin the nuclear agreement!
     
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    Of course there is. No party consults religious leaders before voting. Let’s get real. The heads of state in non secular countries, are religious leaders. Because a politician is a Christian, means nothing. You think we are non secular ? Agnostics, Jews , Christians and muslims are all found in the congress.
     
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    Grography isnt a subject Americans are good at. Their world stops at their beaches except for world domination.

    Most dont know where Oz is let alone Tassy
     
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    No you didn't. You just said that you wouldn't scrap them. That's fine, but what exactly would you just have them doing if not foreign intelligence?
     
  6. Bush Lawyer

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    Of what relevance is this?
     
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    Oh you know, just that we're living in the age of terror and you don't think that intelligence agencies should be doing the one thing that they exist for! :roflol:
     
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    Show me where I said that.
     
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    Who the **** is AOC? Again a 3rd class politician in Washington, making some headlines in moment, which no one cares in 3 month about anymore?
     
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    The problem is that Trump and all those who support him in Iran issue want to conclude an all-embracing contract / deal with Iran, which castrates Iran and almost compels it to submit.
    But that does not work ... and the Europeans and Obama have recognized that.
    Therefore, Priority 1 was to prevent Iran from producing nuclear weapons ... everything else is secondary and subject to subsequent separate talks and negotiations.
     
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    I find it very interesting how you rate the possibilities of Iran as high ... while other americans think they are jerks that they certainly are not ... but do not underestimate the intelligence and technical possibilities of the west ... and the work from inspectors and auditors!
     
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    You overestimate your enemy and underestimate yourself. Hope for the best plan for the worst.

    The Iranians are more sophisticated than the Iraqis is not saying a whole lot. The Iraqis aren't very sophisticated at all.

    Plus, defense tends to beat offense with the sorts of things (intelligence) were talking about.
     
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    I do not deny that the Iranians are incredibly capable ... how else have they been able to resist the combined power of the US and Israel for 40 years ... and successfully end a long war against Saddam?

    You underestimate the possibilities of western services etc.!
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    We think that a nuclear iran in 10 years is no bargain

    Iran s weakest now and niw is the time to defeat them
     
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    In the name of equality all countries deserve nuclear weapons.:roflol:
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump can do in international waters anything he wants.

    More difficult questions? :fishing:
     
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    This goes all the way back to the USS Pueblo on Jan. 23rd 1968, and the USA acting like a wimp, nobody, we can't do anything state.

    I'm glad Trump pulled his first punch, but if they do it again he must let loose a massive attack on Tehran.
     
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    Incredibly capable? I wouldn't go that far. Again: Beating the iraqis isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world to accomplish.

    Combined power? Dude you know how when you're sitting on your ass super comfy and you want something that's just out of reach but you're just too ****ing lazy to get up and get it so you kind of nudge it with your toe or a stick or something until its a bit closer and you can grab it? And sometimes that takes longer and more effort than actually getting up and getting it would? But you're just so fat and lazy you don't care?
    That's what we've been doing with Iran since BEFORE the coup. We have yet to get our fat asses out of the recliner and actually exert our power in any meaningful way. And we refuse to let israel off the chain for fear of another golan heights situation where they beat the ever loving crap out of their enemies who complain to the UN that they lost territory along with the war and its not fair.

    Our intelligence services aren't all they're cracked up to be.
     
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    Our seventeen intelligence agencies are never wrong.:roflol:
     
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    Trump's platform regarding wars have nothing at all to do with 'redeeming qualities'. He has no redeeming qualities, he's like a windsock that moves along with prevailing wind. Donald Trump was for the war in Iraq before he was against it. On September 11th, 2002 Trump did an interview with Howard Stern. Stern asked the (then) real estate magnate whether he supported the proposed invasion of Iraq. Trump responded, "Yeah I guess so. I wish the first time it was done correctly.” In 2015 during a Town Hall forum sponsored by CNN, Trump said that he didn’t remember the interview. “I could have said that. Nobody asked me—I wasn’t a politician. It was probably the first time anybody asked me that question,” Trump said. “But by the time the war started, I was against the war, and there are articles—I mean, there are headlines in 2003 and 2004—that I was totally against the war.”
    Again -- a political windsock.

    In Afghanistan for example, he has previously advocated for a complete withdrawal of US troops, then he flipped in 2017 and said, "American troops would be focused on "killing terrorists" not nation-building". He did the same thing with Syria. Two months after Trump announced all American troops would be leaving Syria, he backpedaled on his decision in a letter to Congress, stating he now agreed “100 per cent” with keeping a military presence in Syria.

    Contrasting with this opinion about Syria is a tweet by Trump on 5 September 2013, four a half years earlier. Here, he presents a more critical view of the war in Syria, and of President Obama who was in office at the time.

    "AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!", he tweeted.

    In 2017, he sang a different tune. "Congratulations to our great military men and women for representing the United States, and the world, so well in the Syria attack."

    Regarding nuclear arms, Israel has nuclear weapons, Russia has nuclear weapons, Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Iran's allies are Russia, China, Pakistan, Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Yemen - to name a few.
     
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    You said that we should allow terrorism to foster.
     
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    Being secular has to do with "the separation between church and state". And that separation is a joke when the president swears his oath on a religious book.
     
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    Joke will so much on Trump if he does that, and Iran retaliates in destroying west Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
     
  24. dagosa

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    That’s naive. The Bible is just a custom TR used none when sworn in.
    Read the first amendment.
    “First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.......” ...
     
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  25. Bush Lawyer

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    Then....so can Iran?
     
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