New Immigration proposal,Highly Intelligent highly skilled immigrants.

Q-: Will Trump's highly skilled/educated immigrants steal my job and/or lower my wages?

A; Not a chance.....only losers fear them.

 

KAZ I don't know where you live but if you are only paying $12K to educate each child in your school system you are getting a TAX BARGAIN.In the Pa. town I live in the cost to tax payers is $28K per child per school year. We have highly paid teachers as do most of the surrounding Pa. towns.

 

What people fail to understand is that the biggest problem we can have is unemployed unskilled workers. Why? they are less educated, less productive, more ignorant and more dangerous as they can become a growing mob... see Venezuela.

So if we can actually employ more of them, we can quiet them down, they will be less prone to be making noise. The highly skilled people are more civilized, educated and will handle unemployment is more productive ways. They could perhaps look into creating business, doing something productive, instead of joining the mob and resorting to crime, hate speech, riots and government dependency. It's more important to keep these people employed because they a much bigger problem unemployed than the highly skilled people... who eventually find a job or create a job for themselves. The others typically end never getting a job, getting into crime or just living off government forever.

 

Wow amazing demonstration of stringing bumperstickers together.

I already rested mine, but thanks for additional evidence.

 

Oh yeah, congratulations for being a productive human being by using what you were given to get where you are, is definitely a backhanded compliment.

BTW it's not your intelligence, it's your intellect that "recognizes" abstract inferences from simple statements. And while one can do little to improve their intelligence, intellect can be continually developed and expanded throughout one's life.

 

If Trump and his cult had been in power earlier, that would have kept out of this country "fruit pickers" (or their parents) like Walt Disney, Steve Jobs, Nikki Haley, Sergey Brin (who developed Google), Ray Krock (founder of McDonald's), the three founders of You Tube, ... and many many more.

 

Endowed? Utilized and developed. Not that I don't appreciate your free PSYCHO analysis professor ... it's just that you're a quack, so ....

 

So does just a Wiley Coyote way of redefining cheap labor from India to operate the NWO Globalist Technocracy that Trump seems reluctant to call out for all their censorship, shadow banning and illegal surveillance of American citizens?

 

I don't even see how there is a debate. Do we want educated immigrants or non-educated immigrants? We have taken in what 30 mill non-educated immigrants over the last 35 years, why not swing the pendulum the other way for 10 years or so?

 

Gee maybe 150 years ago that made sense for the America of then, you know the America where you did not eat unless you worked, where you lived 12 to a 3 room tenement. A nation that provided just for their own and not the world. A time of industrial manufacturing requiring vast amounts of labor vs atime of tech innovation in removing labor from the workforce.

 

Yes, i think that you are correct
And i wish the president would say that directly: something like:

“ you know we were a country with unlimited resources who needed and welcomed immigrants... it was great while it lasted. But our situation has changed, we need to change course. Etc”

I think a change of course is necessary
But i think it would be good to talk about where we were, where we are, where we are headed now, and where we need to be going

 

That may be true for you,
if so, good on you

It happens that i worked for an indian company bringing engineers to work here. I became very familiar with how this worked. And i can tell you that it did become tougher for american workers.

 

Well if immigrant low skilled workers steal job from Americans, and immigrant high skilled workers steal job from Americans, for what purpose are we having immigration at all?

 

Because our home grown birth rate is below replacement rate.We have more dying than are being born.

 

Yes mike, i think it is a fair point that you make.
We need to have THAT discussion
Imo, our immigration policies have a huge amount of inertia.... we are doing some version of what we have always done. And, lets face it, the legacy policies have not necessarily emerged from any sort of deliberate planning

 

Well I'll start off that discussion. Let's say we go to zero based immigration, and build from there. Currently, or at least as of 2015, we had

Spouses of US citizens: 265,367
Children (dependent): 66,740
Priority Workers: 41,688
Professionals w/advanced degrees or aliens of exceptional ability : 44,344
That comes up to 418,139 people per year, or round it up and that's about a half million immigrants a year, so less than half of the current million plus. So I'm good with half a million of needed workers and immediate family (not adult parents, children, cousins ect...)

Your move.

 

And that factor still does not equal the amount of jobs lost due to automation. We don't need more people, as you know the real unemployment rate is closer to 10%.

 

You'll need to get your kids to cut the lawn.

 

I think this is fair.... your move

 

If you've nothing to add, then I'm done.

There! We've completed a bipartisan immigration plan!

 

Bipartisanship is not always so hard as we may expect
Perhaps we should look for common ground
Rather than focusing on what divides us?
Just a thought

 

Americans are having less children, in fact so few that our population is shrinking. Add to the fact that the massive baby boomer generation is retiring, we need more workers.

Allowing immigrants into the country in a controlled and logical manner makes great sense, but they need to be ready to be contributing members, which means educated and skilled.

Does this really have to be partisan?

 

Who said we were going to ONLY allow skilled and educated workers?

 

Well the problem is that there is plenty that divides us, and not recognizing that and demonizing the other side instead is what we get.

 

There is zero chance for bi-partisanship. The American people want a secure border. The Dems let our southern border become an open gate. Most of my friends are traditional dems or progressives and we are almost unanimous in our agreement that a Wall/somewhat impenetrable fence be erected. They refused to let Trump build his wall- saying it was a waste of money but voted for a wall just a few years ago. Immigration should benefit the country- whether it is day laborers or Tech skilled workers. Where they come from should be less of an issue.
Right now the country does not need more unskilled laborers.