New Orleans to remove 4 Confederate statues

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  1. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The slavers wanted to end the transatlantic slave trade so that their slaves would become more valuable. If someone wanted to start a new plantation he would have to buy domestic slaves instead of cheap imports from Africa. It was simply a way for the slavers to become richer.

    The slavers started the Revolutionary War in order to keep their slaves. And when they won they ended up running the country.
     
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    You kind of forget that slavery in America was begun by the British. First they used convicts and emptied the prisons of Britain. In 1861 to 1865 the Civil War put the supposed end to slavery in America.
    B. The Atlantic Slave Trade
    The Atlantic slave trade developed after Europeans began exploring and establishing trading posts on the Atlantic (west) coast of Africa in the mid-15th century. The first major group of European traders in West Africa was the Portuguese, followed by the British and the French. In the 16th and 17th centuries, these European colonial powers began to pursue plantation agriculture in their expanding possessions in the New World (North, Central, and South America, and the Caribbean islands), across the Atlantic Ocean. As European demand grew for products such as sugar, tobacco, rice, indigo, and cotton, and as more New World lands became available for European use, the need for plantation labor increased.
    West and west central African states, already involved in slave trading, supplied the Europeans with African slaves for export across the Atlantic. Africans tended to live longer on the tropical plantations of the New World than did European laborers (who were susceptible to tropical diseases) and Native Americans (who were extremely susceptible to "Old World" diseases brought by the Europeans from Europe, Asia, and Africa). Also, enslaved men and women from Africa were inexpensive by European standards. Therefore, Africans became the major source, and eventually the only source, of New World plantation labor.
    The Africans who facilitated and benefited from the Atlantic slave trade were political or commercial elites–generally members of the ruling apparatus of African states or members of large trading families or institutions. African sellers captured slaves and brought them to markets on the coast. At these markets European and American buyers paid for the slaves with commodities–including cloth, iron, firearms, liquor, and decorative items–that were useful to the sellers. Slave sellers were mostly male, and they used their increased wealth to enhance their prestige and connect themselves, through marriage, to other wealthy families in their realms.
    The Africans who were enslaved were mostly prisoners of war or captives resulting from slave raids. As the demand for slaves grew, so did the practice of systematic slave raiding, which increased in scope and efficiency with the introduction of firearms to Africa in the 17th century. By the 18th century, most African slaves were acquired through slave raids, which penetrated farther and farther inland. Africans captured in raids were marched down well-worn paths, sometimes for several hundred miles, to markets on the coast.
    From the mid-15th to the late-19th century, European and American slave traders purchased approximately 12 million slaves from West and west central Africa. A small percentage of these slaves, particularly in the early years of the trade, were sent to Europe, especially to Spain and Portugal. Most, however, were shipped across the Atlantic for sale in Portuguese-administered Brazil; the British, French, Dutch, and Danish islands of the Caribbean; Spanish-controlled South and Central America; and the British North American mainland (later the United States and Canada). The Atlantic crossing, known as the Middle Passage, was nightmarish for slaves, who were poorly fed, subject to abuses at the hands of the crew, and confined to cramped storage holds in which diseases spread easily. Historians estimate that between 1.5 and 2 million slaves died during the journey to the New World.
    The Atlantic slave trade differed from previous practices of slavery and slave trading in Africa in its huge scope and its importance to the economies of world powers. While traditional African slavery was practiced largely to help African communities produce food and goods or for prestige, slave labor on European plantations in the New World was crucial to the economies of the colonies and therefore to the economies of the colonial powers. This global economic demand for African slaves altered African practices of slavery. In much of Africa, slavery became a more central, structural element of African life, as rulers and wealthy elites sought to accumulate more and more slaves, for sale as well as for their own use. In addition to the systematic and institutional practice of slave raiding, other practices were introduced in African states to bring in even more slaves, including enslavement as punishment for crimes and religious wrongdoing. As a result, by the 19th century vast numbers of black Africans in West and Central Africa faced the threat of being enslaved.

    IV. The End of Slavery in Africa
    As humanitarian sentiments grew in Western Europe with the 18th-century Age of Enlightenment and as European economic interests shifted slowly from agriculture to industry, a movement to abolish the slave trade and the practice of slavery came into being in the Western world. In 1807 the slave trade was outlawed in Britain and the United States.

    Source: http://autocww.colorado.edu/~toldy2/E64ContentFiles/AfricanHistory/SlaveryInAfrica.html
     
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    There is no possible way to deny the racist aspect of slavery.

    Nobody owned and bred Irishmen.
     
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    I have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    alot of them ended up in ovens
     
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    I don't get your point here.

    Slavery continued in the US after that.

    And, ending importation probably made breeding black slaves more lucrative.
     
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    Well, if you remember your history, New Orleans was established by the French and used as the center for all slaves coming to the Americas after a brief stop in Saint-Domingue (Haiti). You should really study a little history on the influence of Britain, France and Spain in the America's from the 16th to the 20th Century.

    "In 1718 Jean Baptiste Le Moyne, Sieur de Bienville, a founder of outposts in what are now Biloxi, Mississippi, and Mobile, Alabama, placed a cross at a point where the Mississippi curved near Lake Pontchartrain to mark the site for a new settlement. The proposed town was named for the Duc d'Orleans, who was governing France during Louis XV's childhood. To establish a population in the new settlement, France sent prisoners, slaves, and bonded servants".

    Read more: http://www.city-data.com/us-cities/The-South/New-Orleans-History.html#ixzz4iDThgwD2
     
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    You are correct. Thomas Paine's 1775 article "African Slavery in America" was one of the first to advocate abolishing slavery and freeing slaves. At the United States Constitutional Convention of 1787, delegates debated over slavery, finally agreeing to allow states to permit the international trade for at least 20 years. By that time, all the states had passed individual laws abolishing or severely limiting the international buying or selling of slaves After 1807 slaves were no longer imported from Africa and by 1861 slavery was already strongly opposed by abolitionists and the North state..

    "In the 17th century, English Quakers and Evangelicals condemned slavery as un-Christian. At that time, most slaves were Africans, but thousands of Native Americans were also enslaved. In the 18th century, as many as six million Africans were transported to the Americas as slaves, at least a third of them on British ships to North America. Abolition was part of the message of the First Great Awakening of the 1730s and 1740s in the Thirteen Colonies".
    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteen_Colonies
     
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    Yeah, racism ....... that's why 26 percent of free blacks owned slaves.
     
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    What country in the world let's traitors and filth put up monuments?

    If they tried that crap in Germany today they would be put down fast, as it is illegal

    honoring trash?

    give me a break
     
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    Because it is hilarious !!
     
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    Heroes from the US Civil War are these:

    - Lincoln
    - Grant
    - Sherman
    - Sheridan
    - Buford
    - and everyone who died in that war.

    The losers are:

    - Jefferson Davis
    - Lee
    - Longstreet
    - and every general who turned coats and fought for the rebel South.

    No question.

    Anyone who thinks or believes otherwise is deluded.

    The war was to preserve the Union.

    Slavery caused the war but the war was not about slavery, although by rebelling the rebel South lost all its/her slaves.
     
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    I once wanted to visit New Orleans, but not so much anymore. The stuff that was special to see is pretty much not going to be there anymore. And then it will just be another big city (with a lot of humidity). Are we trying to completely pretend the civil war didn't happen? Will that help blacks? Is that really what they want?
     
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    4 monuments is what made NOLA? yeah, good you stay away.
     
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    That's because they died of contagious diseases. We had ovens in our concentration camps but there were no major outbreaks of deadly diseases like there were in Europe. You can't get 100 people in a one corpse oven.
     
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    Actually the weak were sent to the crematoria too
     
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    The Jews financed the slave trade, especially in South America.

    http://rense.com/general69/invo.htm

    It's biblical.
     
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    The Allies didn't send them any food or medicine.
     
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    Are you suggesting that 26% of the fraction of America that was both free and black formed some sort of leadership that others felt they had to follow?
     
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    actually Louisiana was established for plantations to feed Haiti
     
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    actually it is only partly true. Jews had little to do with the english slave trade
     
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