New simulations suggest we may be able to reopen almost everything. But only IF...

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Consider my eyes rolling as I ignore your bovine excrement.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You wailed "Strawman Strawman" but never stated what the Strawman was.

    You never stated that you do not believe this. In fact you have been arguing against my claim that the above is not true. Would you like me to quote you ?

    One step at a time - you are so all over the map that addressing more than one of your claims at the same time is pointless.
     
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    Why anyone trusts a model at this point is beyond me. Masks are probably the most important safeguard.

    THIS DOESN’T FIT THE NARRATIVE ON THE CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE:

    Less than 6% of Americans tested each week are found to have the virus. Cases have stabilized over the past two weeks, with the daily average case rate across the U.S. dropping to 20,000—down from 30,000 in April and 25,000 in May. And in the past five days, deaths are down to fewer than 750 a day, a dramatic decline from 2,500 a day a few weeks ago—and a far cry from the 5,000 a day that some were predicting.

    Thanks to the tremendous leadership of President Trump, we’ve made great progress over the past four months.
    Yeah, you never hear about ventilators anymore, but, there was a time when all we heard about was ventilators.
     
  4. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Bovine excrement alert.
     
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    ThelmaMay Well-Known Member

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    The claim that people who are concerned about contracting Covid 19 is hysteria is hysterical in itself. The real hysterics are those who are so obsessed with Drumph and with the desire to reject any authority other than him is the epitome of hysteria. No one with a conscience and any true intelligence thinks that the Covid 19 pandemic is some kind of scam to control people and/or ruin the economy. How ffing ridiculous is that? Why don't you just climb back into your little space ship and fly on out of here?

    During 8 years of our fighting the Vietnam war, there were 58,220 U.S. military deaths in Vietnam. So far, in just a few months, there have been 119,484 deaths due to Covid 19. Not hysteria. Not exaggeration. This pandemic is worse for America than the Vietnam war.
     
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    Actually it is a poor estimate and an exaggeration to some unkown degree. We don't know how many people who died while positive to Covid were killed by Covid. But you are welcome to your hysteria.
     
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    If you look at the excess deaths in the areas hardest hit by covid-19, then you very quickly reach the conclusion that we are probably undercounting covid-19 deaths.
     
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    It's ludicrous to try to minimize it. It's like putting you head in the sand. You don't want to believe in the reality of the pandemic because your leader, the Drumph doesn't believe in it, so you look for any, any at all no matter how ridiculous, reason to dismiss it, to minimize it. It's not just ludicrous, it's very, very stupid. Very.
     
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    If 120,000 people died every 3 months of Covid 19, in eight years that would be 3,840,000 people. That's how people are dying because of Covid 19. There's no exaggeration about it. That is the rate of death. During the Vietnam war, about 880 US military people died every 3 months. This year, 120,000 Americans died in 3 months. That's the reality. Trying to deny it is absolutely foolish.
     
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    MORE bovine excrement denialism on YOUR part!

    NOT my problem if you CANNOT see YOUR STRAWMAN in YOUR own QUOTED text BOLDED in RED whenever it was called out!

    Furthermore I am NOT under any obligation to DENY your strawman crap since I CALLED IT OUT as strawman crap in the first place. Do you not understand what a strawman is and how it functions? Obviously not since you are still trying to use them even AFTER they have been EXPOSED as YOUR problem and NOT mine!

    So throwing yet another puerile hissfit just because you have abjectly FAILED to read your own STRAWMAN text further DISQUALIFIES you as being able to engage in civil debate as far as I am concerned.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    :applause:
     
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    :roflol:

    TWO responses to the same post means that it must have struck a nerve!

    :roflol:
     
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    Got you underwear in a twist you have - and you are projecting your issues onto others.

    You are spewing falsehoods - and have now backtracked on your original position trying to defend these falsehoods.
     
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    :roflol:

    Thank you for CONFIRMING that your DISQUALIFICATION is 100% JUSTIFIED by your latest PROJECTION of your own FALSEHOODS onto others.

    Needless to say your vapid and tedious STRAWMEN will not be missed by myself!

    :roflol:

    Have a nice day!
     
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    I don't deny that they died. I just don't know what killed them and neither do you. There is a difference between dying from covid and dying while testing positive for covid. Why is that such a difficult thing for you to understand?
     
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    It is a possibility. The point is we don't know.
     
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    I give up. Common sense doesn't have any bearing here.
     
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    Are you aware that Covid19 can CAUSE heart attacks?

    It can also cause liver and kidney failure and strokes and do all kinds of damage to organs that would otherwise continue to function WITHOUT the virus.

    So getting all bent out of shape because Covid HASTENED their death as opposed to directly CAUSING their death is just a disingenuous attempt to disparage the SEVERITY of this virus.

    Furthermore it is patently OBVIOUS as to WHY the supporters of the Covidiot-in-Chief are trying to pull this asinine boondoggle because they don't want him to have to take responsibility for ALL of the DEATHS on his watch.
     
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    That is a "maybe" as you can learn from this article. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200415/covid-19-can-trigger-serious-heart-injuries#1

    See above

    I haven't said a thing about the severity of the virus. The medical world doesn't yet understand its severity. All I did was suggest that all of the 120,000 deaths while positive for covid, may not be and are probably not caused by the virus. I am talking about the number, the the severity fo the disease.

    I didn't inject any politics into what I wrote. The bovine excrement is all yours.
     
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    You are the one in a hissyfit of projection.

    You said: "The Supreme Court has UPHELD that Public Safety overrides individual rights".
    and you say it again #2 Individual Constitutional Rights do NOT override Public Safety!

    I have argued from the beginning that Public Safety does not necessarily override public safety. .. and you have been arguing against this position - making the above claims.

    Now you are running around crying "Strawman - Strawman"

    Now you are trying to claim that this was not your position crying Strawman Strawman - after mischaracterizing my arguments numerous times.

    Give me a P .:cheerleader::cheerleader:. Give me an R :cheerleader::cheerleader:... Proooojection
     
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    That's ridiculous. Of course we know what killed them. What kind of nutjobs thinks every medical professional, every expert, every scientist all around the world is lying to them?
     
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    Well, I suggest you go out and get some. It will help you. While you're out and about, don't forget to wear your mask and social distance: it IS the right thing to do.
     
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    Your own link makes is a DEFINITE complication of Covid19.

    That WebMD link utterly DEBUNKS your "maybe" by offering FACTUAL EVIDENCE that over 10% have died from Covid induced heart failure!

    So YOU are the only ONE of the supporters of the Coviidiot-in-Chief who is NOT questioning the number of deaths for political reasons? :eek:

    :roflol:
     
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    :roflol:

    Now you are CHEERING your own PROJECTIONS? :eek:

    Bizarre!

    Have a nice day!
     
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