Nikki Haley denies Gaza violence is related to new US Embassy in Jersualem

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  1. Cubed

    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If that were true then the successful people who escaped those countries wouldn't be successful. It's simply a product of upbringing, environment, and unfortunately, religion.
     
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    No, I'm sure not. So the multi-generational drive to push the Jews into the sea is pointless.
     
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    Yes lets.

    The crusades were an attempt to take back what the muslims were taking by violence starting in 600 AD. Learn some history.

    There is no such thing as a Palestinian, and no one lived there other than Bedouin tribes, who now comprise some 20% of Israel's population as full citizens.
     
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    Yes it’s pointless (I think that’s what you’re asking) and dangerous for those who try.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jerusalem was the capital city of Israel long before there was a Palestine or even a Hamas.
     
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    Sounds about right Trump has never accepted responsibility for anything in his life.
     
  7. Robert

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    From the early 16th century through 1917, the area now known as the West Bank fell under Ottoman rule. Following World War I, the Allied powers (France, UK, Russia) allocated the area to the British Mandate of Palestine. After World War II, the UN passed a resolution to establish two states within the Mandate, and designated a territory including what is now known as the West Bank as part of the proposed Arab state. During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the West Bank was captured by Transjordan (later renamed Jordan), which annexed the West Bank in 1950. In June 1967, Israel captured the West Bank and East Jerusalem during the 1967 Six-Day War. Israel transferred security and civilian responsibility for a number of Palestinian-populated areas of the West Bank and Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority (PA) under a series of agreements signed between 1993 and 1999, the so-called “Oslo Accords.” Roughly 60% of the West Bank (excluding East Jerusalem) remains under Israeli military control. Follow-on negotiations to determine the permanent status of the West Bank and Gaza Strip stalled after the outbreak of an intifada in mid-2000. Since HAMAS's violent seizure of military and governmental institutions in the Gaza Strip in 2007, the PA has administered those areas of the West Bank under its control while Hamas maintains de facto control of Gaza. Fatah and HAMAS have made several attempts at reconciliation, but the factions have been unable to implement any agreements reached.
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/we.html
     
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    While she is perhaps right on this issue here, I cannot stand this neocon hawk. For she promotes lies in my name, and will would climb a telephone pole in order to lie instead of standing on the ground and telling the truth. She is a caricature of a war mongering neoconservative hawk.

    But even a broken clock will tell you the truth twice a day....ha ha ha

    Thing is, even if given a job as she was given, there is no way in hell I would lie as she has done regularly. And she is lying in the name of the american people. I detest liars, especially liars that can cost us the lives of our soldiers, used as cannon fodder by a group of people in gov't who has no value at all for their lives. For if they did, they would stop the lying that ends up getting our young americans killed. And the ones being killed over lies are generally right of center americans, while the democrats watch these wars from the safety of their recliners for they are too cowardly to put their own arses on the line. They would rather get our right of center kids killed, for that might help them in future elections.
     
  9. Robert

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    He is responsible for the Trump fortune and for being president. No idea why Democrats never understand it.
     
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    Since you haven't been with him for his whole life, I'll assume you aren't competent to make that statement.
     
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    ok wth are you refer to something happen thousands years, in order to justify modern Israel is beyond me. and I don't you play dumb or not, but I was obivious been sarcastic on you using history from LONG LONG time ago to justify Israel existence.

    wiki and many source disagree with you on no such thing as Palestinian. either way they live there before modern Israel nation. yes yes I know at one time jew live there before, but it doesn't justify forcibly occupied Palestinian living space NOW. if you judge land base on who live thousands years ago, heck most Europe should belong to mongol, America should belong to native America.

    now I agree since Israel already live there for past 60 years, they have right to be there but I don't agree they constantly expanding housing construction there. and they definably use excessive force during the recent protest.

    so don't bother use history of thousands years to justify the current situation. its like saying slavery exists before, so its ok now. what matter is now.
     
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    The only thing the Palestinians need to understand is.....Jerusalem is the Israelis capital and accept the fact that the land belongs to Israel.
     
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    The Palestinians feel it’s theirs as well. What makes the Jews claim more correct?
     
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    You start out lauding her for being truthful then attack her. I never learned why you attack her. To call her a liar hints said poster needs to explain what lies are told.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And if the Palestinians want the US embassy located in their part of Jerusalem, would you fight that too?

    I would not fight it. It would be fine since the Palestinians control part of Jerusalem.
     
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    Because I'm sure you don't realize that Zionists back in 19th century were laying the groundwork for a reconstituted nation of Israel by buying land from absentee Turkish landlords and repatriating settlers from the extremely anti Semitic European nations they had settled in after the Disapora. This was all taken into account when the Balfour Declaration gave both the Jews and Palestinians their own land.

    It's their ancestral land. Israel is smaller than the state of New Hampshire and a tiny fraction of the general Middle Eastern land mass.
    The better idea would be for the many nations that surround Israel to give the Palestinians a place where they wouldn't have to live next to Jews (though they would most likely still try to kill them).
     
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    Yes, I think having that area belong to one side is asking for problems. It needs to be something a neautral city
     
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    It’s also the palestianans ancestral land. Why can’t you understand that?
     
  19. Robert

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    We notice over and over that the Democrats in particular forgot that there was no Palestine prior to the agreement known as the Oslo accords were agreed to by the two parties involved. The mob of Arabs messed things up for themselves by engaging in war against the Jews from the first days of Israels founding. Israel was established by the UN and only there due to the history of the Jews who lost it to the Romans.
     
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    so did American india, it wsa their ancestral land, are we gonna give them a Native America nation too? using something happen 1000s years ago to justify establish of nation or take over land just laughable.

    hey since human come from Africa, you think Africa should take over the world lol. the mongol had vast land in 13th century, they should take over china/Russia/E.europe too ;)

    seem like these days Palestinians land is getting less and less after Israel continue expanding its territory by construct new housing in new area.

    like I said if we are so support of Israel, we should give them montana to them. the arab doesn't want them anyway, but seem you guys love them.
     
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    We differ since in no event is the City part of the USA. But the city of Jerusalem is a long time city capital of Israel.
     
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    History for one. Joshua.....David.....Solomon. The Hebrews tribes and all that.

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    Who says I don't understand that? Why can't you understand that the Israelis aren't blowing up Palestinians and turning their children into
    suicidal martyrs? But the Palestinians are!

    It's not the Israelis who can't live in peace. Guess who that leaves then?
     
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    The way I understand it is that the Bedouins were roamers. That to hold land was foreign to them as holding a river is here in the USA. Even when a river crosses your property, you do not own the river.
     
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    Why?

    I'll tell you why.

    It's because the Islamic goal of 600 AD is the Islamic goal of 2018: to destroy western culture and to remove every religion other than Islam from the earth.

    The "palestinians" train their children to murder Jews. They idolize terrorists. Their government funds and rewards terrorism. The mob attacking Israels borders are not "protestors", they want to get in and kill every man, woman, and child in Israel and "drive them into the sea".

    "Palestine" could have had peace decades ago. They refuse it. They will not stop until they kill ever Jew in Israel or are themselves killed.

    There was never a state of "Palestine" until Jews moved there and they needed an excuse to kill all of them.

    Those people are not "protesting". "Protestors" don't use giant slingshots, molotov cocktails, and try to penetrate the wire to get at you to kill you.
     
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