No assault rifles for people on behavioral meds or people with a history of violent crime

I totally disagree. The majority of people in america agree with much of bernie's platform. I think he would have beat trump. For who would MSM have backed? They hated both of them, but they hated trump worse. People that voted for trump would have voted for sanders, for they had similar positions on working people. Working people elected trump. Not enough racists to elect anyone. Contrary to your beliefs, perhaps.

I have never bought gun magazines. We have a hunting culture in the south and I learned to shoot guns early on, as I grew up on a farm, in the country and we had hundreds of acres of woodlands surrounding our farm. It was a way of life. There was once a time where as many liberals owned guns and hunted as cons did. Liberals are not really liberals today, but something else. I see heavy influence from post modernism, in the younger ones, and the DP is certainly neoliberal in economics and neocons in foreign policy. Hardly liberal. But it probably takes an old man like me to know the difference since I belonged to the DP until clinton started destroying my party. Sanders represented that old party, but modern dems are as opposed to the party of FDR as the GOP is. And you guys do not even notice it.

 

It is a myth that law enforcement officers are specially trained, or in any way professional.

 

Shouldn't the same logic be used to take away people's driver's license? Road rage is a real killer including all the accidents it causes, not just shootings and assaults.

And, of course, certainly insane people should not be allowed to vote. Should a person on psych drugs be prevented from voting, driving a vehicle, and from taking care of children, barred from working in hospitals and jobs involving security too?

It would seem the OPer is claiming that psych drugs don't work, but instead turn people into violent criminals. So really maybe psychological drugs is what needs to be outlawed. Maybe all the billions of psych pills being pushed by the drug industry to mess with everyone's head and try to manipulate their emotions and thoughts is the REAL problem in this topic. Everyone knows that now if you go to a doctor it is virtually certain the doctor is going to write prescriptions for drugs for you to take.

Doctor asks how do you feel? You say you're in a divorce and feeling a little depressed. So, of course, the doctor writes a script for a drug considered a psych drug. BOOM, without knowing this happened, you suddenly lost your rights and in 2 days police are at your door demanding you surrender all firearms - permanently. If you refuse they haul you off in handcuffs, you awaiting being sentenced to 5 years in prison. THAT is the OPer's plan in real effect.

 

It is unfortunate how much some people hate all police.

Who most hates police are criminals.

 

Easy to blame anything other than ourselves for the warped society we have become.

 

Jeebus, where do you live, you should move.

As should nearly anyone who is in daily danger as much as you seem to think everyone is. And if we truly ARE surrounded by armies just slavering at the chance to rape, beat, and murder us why in the Seven Gehennas do you want to ARM them so well?

 

Uh... automatic firearms are already so highly regulated (and extremely expensive, and basically safe/display queens for collectors) that its a moot point.

And since you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about, revolvers are also semi auto, along with practically 90% of all firearms out there (excluding shotguns)

Anything else you want to pretend to be an expert on?

 

The English are idiots. In 1919 and again in 1936 they took away virtually all gun rights. This made it very easy for Germany to kick their ass at the start of WW2 given essentially no men in the UK had any experience or knowledge with firearms. Same for France. This contradicted with centuries before the English were smart in requiring every man learn how to use a long bow - which ultimate saved England a few years later.

What you otherwise posted is all just made up nonsense and crap. It is nearly impossible to find instances of any private citizen who has a firearm - whether skilled or not - who was raped, murdered or violently assaulted. There are thousands, many, many, of people with no firearm experience who have in fact themselves from rape and murder merely by having a firearm.

The FACT is the mere presence of a firearm deters nearly all crimes. The moment it is known a potential victim even might be armed, the criminal picks someone else. There are MANY store security camera videos of even multiple armed invaders of a business fleeing when the owner or employee produces a firearm. The same for mass or school shooting. Once someone is shooting back - even if couldn't hit the side of a barn - the shooter flees.

 

except it increases the statistical likelihood that you are a threat. And losing your "right" to buy an assault rifle is hardly second class treatment.

 

Here's what we know by your messages. You have no intention of ever being able to defend anyone under armed attack. You plan must be to run away while dialing 9-11. Second, you see it as everyone else's duty to protect you, while you see your duty as to protect no one.

Many, if not most, people go thru life blindly putting one foot in front of the other whether that takes them, and what ever bad happens just happens. I do not. Of course, I also know many on the left believe they were born to and entitled to a blessed life where everything is free and nothing bad ever dare happen to them for how special they are. Nothing bad can ever happen to you because you're special - and so what if anything bad happens to anyone else, that's someone else's problem.

Here's a real simple fact. But for firearms I would have been killed long ago in the most literally sense. Since your plan demands that I should be dead, I oppose it. But under your plan, you and I both have a duty to agree to being murdered or otherwise assaulted. I see your view as amorality and idiocy.

Chicago police say most murders in Chicago are by illegal guns - meaning your plan is worthless. Any doubt the Las Vegas millionaire could not have obtained outlawed firearms? In the UK, a 72 year old man was caught with nearly 100 illegal firearms including fully auto military machine guns, yet he was not a criminal at all, just a hobby collector - and the extremely strict UK laws had not stopped it though he had been doing so for decades.

"They" will be armed whether you like it or not. You will not take away THEIR means of killing. You only will take away the ability of anyone to not be their victims. And stolen and illegal guns sold on the black market tend to sell for less than in gun stores.

It truly is foolish to think that insane people on psych drugs who want firearms to murder people with are going to comply with anti-gun laws.

 

Wrong facts ignored but the Firearms act 1920 and the Firearms Act 1937 led the way to the very low gun related deaths that the UK has now. Prior to 1920 due to the first world war the ratio of gun owners was similar to that in the US now and we succeeded in reducing that ratio significantly.

Most rapes are carried out by people known to the victim and often under the threat of a legal gun being held by their friend the rapist

 

All the recent mass shooters bought their guns through background checks. It doesn't do a damned thing to stop them. The problem is not on the gun side. The problem is on the compassion side. If the people at that school had compassion for the shooter, and instead of expelling him (which takes a lot of time and paperwork) had tried to get him help, this would be a moot point.

Also, it's not a loophole. It's the law as purposefully written.

 

Marksmanship is not difficult. It is slightly perishable. I didn't touch a gun for about 5 years when my kids were small. When it came time to teach them marksmanship with a BB gun, I could still shoot fairly accurately. You obviously haven't shot much in your life if you think that marksmanship is difficult. Now, it may be difficult for people who don't really enjoy shooting, but for most firearms enthusiasts it's not.

I have never heard that the English were known for common sense. Please provide a reference for that factoid. Americans have always been known for common sense. We are known as practical people.

 

Then where have all the "good guys with guns" been in all these massacres? Are you saying they're actually commonplace but most are aborted? Have you ever even heard of this happening? let alone observed it taking place all the time as it would have to be?

You say there are many store security recordings of this kind of thing happening. I can't recall a lot. Maybe you can post a few

Funny, I don't recall Guderian saying one thing in Achtung Panzer about the necessity of taking advantage of poorly trained troops. That seminal book was mainly about tanks and this little tactic called "blitzkrieg". Nor do I remember that Hitler was all that keen on the idea of an armed populace, (and isn't an armed populace the one thing all you NRA types say makes tyranny impossible?)

 

Yes and no. Yes, most rapes are carried out by people known to the victim. No, guns aren't often used in the commision of rape. Yes, this is slightly old data, but I doubt if things have changed much. According to this, 84.9% of rapes used no weapon. Only 3.4% of rapes involved guns.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/wuvc01.pdf

 

Thats not the way I learned civics

Guilty until proven innocient is an alien concept in America

Here the state has to demonstrate why the person cannot have a gun

 

First, most of the mass shootings occur in gun free zones, so good guys by definition, won't have guns there. Second, when good guys with guns are there, there is no massacre and it doesn't make national news. There was one such case in Chicago--an uber driver with a gun (and license to carry) saw a man starting to shoot at a crowd. The uber driver stopped it, and this never became national news. The only major repercussion was that uber made a rule against it's drivers carrying guns. The only place I've found it referenced is right wing sites and the Chicago Tribune (local news). Had the shooter succeeded, it would have been national news.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...er-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html

 

Of course, the worst school shooting in history (VT) was carried out with a pistol.

 

There are a variety of reasons to have ARs. That is why they are one of the most commonly sold rifles these days. There are an estimated 8-15 million of them in the U.S.

 

The only threat the majority of mentally ill people pose is to themselves. Wanting to kill people because you're a terrorist doesn't make you mentally ill, it just makes you callous and capable of lying to yourself to justify it.

 

Due process.
If you want to take someone's rights away, you have to take him before a judge.
Thus, federal law already covers this.

And, an AR15 is not an assault rifle.

 

There is no federal gun registration (except for machine guns), and most states don't have gun registration. Some states have attempted gun registration for "assault weapons", but it's been a failure. Connecticut and New York, for example.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankm...-register-their-assault-weapons/#3721dc1d702f

Why don't pro-gun folks want gun registration? Because it is often the first step to confiscation.

Here's an example (Hawaii is one of the few states that does have gun registration):
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2017/11/28/honolulu-pd-demands-cannabis-patients-turn-firearms/

 

It is a fact that law enforcement officers are not professional, highly trained individuals. It is not hatred to state that they are incompetent. It is merely a statement of fact.

 

1) You'll need to adjudicate them mentally unfit first. Put them through the process.
2) Its already illegal to sell to felons or those convicted of domestic violence.

 

Not everyone is in the position of actually being able to physically relocate from one location to another, when their lives are invested in the area in which they reside.