Non-Jews should not be allowed to live in Israel - Israel's Chief Rabbi

Japan is not going extinct, one of the strongest economies, and one of the most respected cultures in the world. Jews never had peace, that is our cross to bare no pun intended. To your Native American comparison, Israel sure made the Arabs look like hapless barbarians in the multiple wars that Israel has won. The Palestinian Arabs will be lucky to end up with reservations and Casinos by the time Jews are done with them.

 

Wealth isn't everything, and I'm afraid that Japanese culture has devolved because of Westernism being forced on their society post-WWII. Pornography and anime is their forte nowadays, not to mention a shrinking population.

Well, the Jews- as opposed to the Arabs- were united. That's pretty much the only reason they won the wars. And I doubt God will allow the Jews to get away with that much. We all know what happens when they reach a certain limit....

 

there is no God.

but if there was one, he surely hates the Palestinians.

 

Thanks for your opinion (s).

 

I see what was attempted. BTW, I interviewed 5 people and 4 of them had nothing nice to say about you.

I know several Israelis and it is clear that these threads are nothing more than attempts show Israel in a bad light. Nice try.

 

Shrinking population is an issue most developed countries, and also Porn and Anime is not the end of civilization.

Jews were fighting for their homeland, the Arabs were fighting to prevent a tiny chunk of territory to be controlled by none Arabs. So the type of fighting spirit was the difference. As far as God, he will always protect his chosen people.

 

I don't understand this thread. Posters on one side attack a culture they don't know anything about, which leads to comments from hilarious to grotesque. Posters on the other side - I'd say my side, because they are pro-Israel (and I usually admire and cherish them), except that being pro-something doesn't necessarily mean to blindly accept everything your "something" does - are attempting to defend the indefensible.

The anti-Israel posters seem to think that a chief rabbi is the spiritual leader of the entire community, that he dictates the trends and the ways of the believers. Although chief rabbis are respected, their job is mostly of a bureaucratic nature. There are many respected rabbis out there, each with his own followers, each with his own ideas, interpretation of sacred texts, opinions on what should be done and what shouldn't. Much like Islam, Judaism doesn't have a centralized spiritual leadership. The lack of dogmas in Judaism allows for free and quite passionate debates between rabbis about every subject imaginable. To think that what one rabbi says is representative for Jews is twice wrong - once because not all Jews are religious, twice because religious Jews are divided in smaller groups, each with its own rabbi.

The irony is, of course, that the only non-Jews qualifying, according to Yitzhak Yosef, for Israeli citizenship, are the Muslims (the only true monotheists beside Jews, or so believed Rambam).

To the pro-Israel posters, I have only this to say: if we - Jews - wish to build for ourselves a developed, civilized, healthy society, we must deal with the evil within. I don't think Yitzhak Yosef is evil himself, only that following his line of thought to its logical conclusion we might find ourselves in ugly places. I hope you all understand what those ugly places are.

My own opinion is that it shouldn't matter at all who is a Jew and who is a non-Jew living in Israel, both from a legal and an individual point of view (I'm talking about people already living here - eligibility for entering the country and receiving citizenship is a different matter).

Serve Israel, yes. Serve the Jews, no.

This is one of the hilarious comments. At least for someone who knows the ways of the religious Jews.

What Dov Lior said, is his personal opinion. In reality, religious Jewish women are forbidden from accepting sperm donations from Jews. Only sperm from non-Jews is used for in vitro fertilization. The reason is very simple: to avoid a future possible incest between the in vitro child and his siblings.

 

I think the issue is that in Polls in March 53% of Israeli Jews - only 33% of secular I think and around 72% of the most religious want Arab Citizens to be 'encouraged' to leave and this is backed up by other data in this survey done by the Israeli Democracy Institute for instance I think it was 51% believing that Arabs should not have equal rights. Now apparently this survey surprised people as this appears not to be how things were before. It does look how Israel is going. Unfortunately Pisa I think your Rabbis do influence people particularly those who already think that way - for instance religious settlers. There was for instance the other issue of the shoot to kill being what a Jew should do if he even thinks someone is a danger or some such thing which a Rabbi recently said going along with your 'shoot to kill' of Palestinians when it is even thought they might have a knife and when it really is not necessary which is frequently finished off by a barage to the head while the person lies dead or dying. Only two or three weeks ago a 5 month pregnant woman and her baby were killed in this way.

I know there are some people in Israel who do not believe in acting in this way. I do not know if you are one of them. Israel, using Uri Avnery's words now has an extreme right Government with fascist overtones. If Israel does not want to drift ever more into the fascist realm then it really has got to the point when those who do not agree need to speak up - but I am sure you know as well as I do that then they would be called traitors and be in danger. It is not against 'Israel'. It is against her actions. When the majority of people of Israel now, as this survey showed, want the remaining arabs to be removed and not to have equal rights - for Israel to be seen not to be a Democracy, you have already crossed the red line. The only question left is whether there is the will to move back.

 

But almost all of the surrounding arab states have such a policy, making them Islamic States.

 

No chips?

 

Your going to compare the western values. The values of democracy to A place ruled by dictators and kings? Please.

That's like

"OK I know I killed like 2 million but look at Natzi germany, they killed 6 million. So it's not that bad."

Or

"Or look at the freedom of speech in Turkey. We have a much better freedom."

Well duh! I hope so.

But you do realize that you compare your standards to some of the worst places when it comes to freedom. Right?

 

First, Israel was established for the Jews. It is their country to run as they see fit.

Second, learn what "fascism" means, Israel is absolutely not fascist or anywhere close to it.

Third, the Arabs have been at war against the Jews ever since 1948 when Israel was re-established. Every move by Israel toward peace or accommodation has been met with terrorism by the Arabs - the Oslo accords, land for peace. The Arabs hate the Jews, they want to kill them and have said so openly. Why should Jews let their deadly enemy into their country?

 

and take responsibility for the consequences.

You believe you know more than Uri Avnery, a one time member of the Stern Gang, a man who was there when Israel was created, a former member of the knesset - him and others. No, I don't think so.

This is as much nonsense as everything else you said and further has virtually no relevance to what I said. Just your wee soundbite I take it supposed to cover everything.

 

Why is this story important? ??

 

It is important because the Israeli Democracy Institute survey in March discovered the majority of Israeli Jews want Arab citizens to be 'encouraged' to leave and for them not to have equal rights. Arguably the Rabbi is just echoing or leading the people in a somewhat more abrasive manner.

 

Indeed but it's still a mostly pluralist society in many ways. Wait till this thing becomes policy. It all depends on how they can sneak it past the Americans really.

 

Like I said: call Abe Foxman.

I'm sorry but that's not a very good argument because in the post that you linked to, I showed that Israel's government doesn't just despise Palestinians, it also despises its African immigrants: the interior minister has said that all of them should be jailed, and the minister of culture and sport, Miri Regev, called them "a cancer in our body". Have these Africans ever said that their aim is to destroy Israel or exterminate its jewish population? (I’m pretty sure that they haven't.)

Now let's take a look at the influential Israeli rabbi and former Deputy Minister of Religious Services Eli Ben-Dahan. This guy doesn't like homosexuals very much, but he still thinks that even homosexual jews are worth more than non-jews:

Gay Jews have 'higher souls' than gentiles, says deputy minister

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.566021

And here's what he has to say about Palestinians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Ben-Dahan

Can you imagine what would happen if a well-known Western politician and member of government were to say "jews are like animals, they are not human"?

But yeah, just keep ignoring the jewish racism and attack me instead. And post more scat jokes. That's the ticket!

 

Okay...okay...you can have one more.

 

I don't know if this has already been posted. But the Rabbi also said this:

“These laws are theoretical, [and] refer to fulfilling the seven Noahide Laws in the days of the messiah, and have no connection to the present day,” he wrote, adding that he has “always adopted a peaceful and embracing path.”

“It’s clear that there’s no law in our time, God forbid, to expel non-Jews from Israel,” he concluded.

 

Please link me to any positive story with out your ax grinding hyperbole. Examples,
racist based on a few individuals' comments, bandit state and the like.

Pending that, and following the Duck Rule
Duck Rule: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
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Take the last word as you chose.
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Yes, they face the consequences of living in their own country. That is why they get to set the rules the way they want them set.

You still do not have any idea what "fascism" is, and apparently are too lazy to look it up.

 

do you hate Jews?

 

Still, the civilized enlightened high-standard loving democracies urge Israel, much like yourself and others on this forum, to give up not only territory, but the security of her own citizens, to lay the foundation for another of those worst places we shouldn't compare to. Arabs, of course, can happily build the worst societies for themselves, under the watchful eye and with the blessing of the international high-standard loving community. This is beyond hypocrisy.

Those worst places are what we have to deal with, so please don't lecture us about what we should or shouldn't do from the safety of a far away couch.

 

I would say that one thing that Israel has shown herself to be completely incapable of in recent years is self reflection. The US and to some extent the rest of the West has followed since 9/11 and just look at the state of the world the 'might is right' mentality has got us into. During the inter war years Europe developed the ability to do this. The irony of this is that the people whose research contributed the most was the research done by Jews into how the holocaust was able to happen and to work to create conditions where something of that nature could never happen again. I am talking of the Frankfurt School. In recent years the West's leadership has lost the ability to self reflect. Israel as a country never had it due to those who became power when it came into being. Many Israeli Jews for instance Uri Avnery however always did have this ability. It is sad that as his generation has died and those who were there at the beginning and knew how things were and felt humanity and a responsibility to the people whose country they were colonising, Israel has totally lost the ability to self reflect all bar a few people who are called 'traitors' Now at a guess you believed it was not necessary because you believe in 'might is right'. You do not believe in going by International Law....and then you do not reflect and notice what that has produced. You do not take responsibility for your actions. That is a very poor level of human functioning.

Without self reflection we move towards barbarism.

Hark at you trying another meaningless sound bite. What about me saying that Uri Avnery says that Israel is now run by an extreme right Government with fascist overtones illustrates that I a) do not understand what fascist is and b) still do not understand what fascist is?

 

Nope. It is being surrounded by Islamic states that necessitates the creation of a Jewish state for survival.