North Indian Hindus are Part of White Ruling Class

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    Hindus are the most highly educated religious group in US
    http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...ducated-religious-group-in-us-report-3800168/

    India’s ruling class are upper caste Hindus from the Hindi belt and northwestern States like Gujarat and Punjab. They are basically the equivalent of the Wasps in America.

    One of the mistakes of “racial justice” advocacy in America is to include North Indian Hindus among the categories of disempowered minorities. In my view, North Indian Hindus, a highly successful group who have naturally found their place among the White ruling class, represent a greater threat to minorities in America (Muslims, Blacks, Mexicans, Asians). Consider the fact that during Trump’s campaign, he was welcomed to a North Indian Hindu event in New Jersey. These “Indo-Aryans” at the event represent the typically affluent and highly educated group of people who are simply the latest ethnic group of White people, alongside the Italians, Irish, Polish, etc., to have become part of the racist ruling class.

    Nikki Haley (Governor of South Carolina) and Bobby Jindal (former Governor of Louisiana) are examples of North Indians who are part of the White ruling class. Not only are they both Republicans, but were elected from States in the Deep South, where it is unthinkable that those same States would elect a Black, Muslim or Asian governor.
    In India itself, North Indians feel superior to Indians of other races, such as South Indian Tamils, tribals, Dalits, and Muslims who are perceived as foreigners mixed with Arab, Turkic, Afghan and Mughal blood.

    Minorities should be aware that North Indians are not their natural allies. They are extremely racist and look down on minorities in America as they do in India.
     
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    Whatsamatter? Don't want to share the racial coddling with others?
     
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    Niki Haley grew up in Bamberg, SC.. I know that tiny town well and find her story even more amazing.
     
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    I also forgot to mention the racism suffered by Northeasterners (people from the seven sister states) when they reside in other parts of India, particularly Delhi.

    The more you study the behavior of upper caste North Indian Hindus, the more it becomes apparent they are the Wasps of India; and the ones who are in America exhibit the most extreme racist sentiments among their people. The BJP (ruling party in India at the moment) is a racist party that is part of the Sangh Parivar that promotes race-based nationalism in India. Much of the online presence of North Indian Aryan Hindu ultra-nationalism comes from North Indians working in Silicon Valley, highly educated and having the best expertise in computer sciences.

    There are about 4 million Indians in the U.S. Of course, many of them are Muslims and South Indians. But at least half or more are North Indian Hindus, who tend to be upper caste, highly educated and affluent. They are disproportionately represented in Ivy League schools and have a 48% college graduate rate (even higher than Jews). In my view, it is these North Indian Hindus who are quickly becoming the ruling class in America because of their success in higher education.

    As a Muslim of Indian descent, I can tell minorities here in America, especially Black and Mexican people, that they should beware of North Indian Hindus who are among the most racist people in the world.

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    Take a look at this map. Countries in red indicate where racism is the highest. India is the most racist country in the world. Interestingly, Pakistan, which is more or less the same racial stock as North Indian Hindus, is blue.
     
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    [video=youtube;SByqsy0ckvU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SByqsy0ckvU[/video]

    Upper-caste Indians are genetically close to white Russians with a high frequency of Haplogroup R1a among them. But when they are in the US or Australia, they still face discrimination because they are from a different culture and they could be confused with Muslims, too.
     
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    Northern Indians are racist?

    Virtually every group that immigrates here are racist. Virtually every Asian group and most Hispanic groups are racist or Anti-Semitic. If you want diversity, you have to accept the diverse hate.
     
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    It is simply not true that most people who immigrate to the U.S. are racist or anti-Semitic. This is a grievious slander of Asians and Mexicans in particular. As for White Hispanics, there is no reason to exclude them as a separate category from White people. White Hispanics are simply White people who speak Spanish, as there are White people who speak Italian, Portuguese, French, Dutch, German, etc. It makes no sense to have White Hispanics as a separate category. If those White Hispanics are racist or anti-Semitic, that is a fact I already know.
    But most of the people crossing the border from Mexico are not Whites, they are Indigenous Mexican people, and that was originally their land which they are entitled to.
     
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    I voted for Bobby Jindal in the Republican primary and I'm not even Hindu.That and $1 at McDonalds will get me a hot cup of coffee at least.
     
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    North Indians and the Chinese are about equal in terms of racism. And both groups dominate the best schools and colleges in the west. Which easily demonstrates just how NON-RACIST their host nations are. And I have no idea why you think other minorities will somehow be compromised by this. They can also choose to work hard and study hard. That's all these Indians and Chinese do, as you know.
     
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    "...Once again, Hispanic Americans born outside of the U.S. are more likely than Hispanics born in the U.S. to hold anti-Semitic views. According to the survey, 42 percent of foreign-born Hispanics hold anti-Semitic views, as opposed to 20 percent of U.S. born Hispanics."
     
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    LOL you didn't bother to read what you quoted? I already said that since most Hispanics are White it is not our (non-White minorities) problem.
     
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    What you wrote was, "It is simply not true that most people who immigrate to the U.S. are racist or anti-Semitic."
     
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    Mexico is the largest source of immigration to the United States. Whites are a minority in Mexico, somewhere between 10-20%. Now are you going to claim that non-White Mexicans are racist and anti-Semitic? And if you do what is your evidence?
     
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    I'm not talking about race, I'm talking about foreigners who come to the US. And I've already provided the evidence for that.
     
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    This topic interests me because there is definitely a perception that Indians are racist. When I was in high school my mother held a dinner party that included Black professionals from her job. At some point their conversation turned racial and one of the guests stated that Indians were racist towards Blacks because they were Caucasian. He said they had a caste system which discriminated against the darker-skinned ethnic groups in India and Indian immigrants to the United States hold that same attitude when it comes to non-Indian people of color. When another guest asked how they were Caucasian he told her that anthropological research confirms that they are (I think this is based on the Aryan Invasion Theory which I have discussed on another message board which has been debunked). Growing up I barely knew any Indians. I can tell you however that the few I knew in the majority White towns I grew up in experienced racism. I witnessed a White boy tell an Indian girl that all women of her race were ugly and overheard some Whites say racist things about Indians and mock their accents. I never had any problem from Indians. When I moved to a more Multicultural area I knew more Indian people. One of my friends was Indian and I briefly dated one Indian girl. Indian-Americans make up less than 1% of the population so unless you live in an Indian community you aren't likely to know to many.

    My experience with Indians on the internet has been less positive. Since I have debated racism on the internet several of the Indians I have encountered have been racist. On one message board there were two Indians in particular who I considered friends and thought were Egalitarians like me who gradually started expressing racist views and befriending the White Nationalists that we were debating.
    I have since come to recognize that these people are probably not representative of Indians in general and people who discuss racism on the internet often have mixed up views. So I decided to do a bit of research on this. From what I've read while Indian-Americans are indeed a very successful minority group in America they are very left-leaning politically. Many Indian-Americans supported Obama and while a lot are Independents there are far more Democrats than Republicans in the Indian-American community.

    Here are some interesting facts:

    Pewresearch.org - 5 Facts about Indian Americans

    1. Many Indian Americans are recent arrivals. 87.2% of Indian-American adults in 2010 were foreign-born, the highest percentage among the six largest Asian-American groups; 37.6% of those had been in the U.S. 10 years or less. One consequence of so many Indian Americans having arrived so recently: Only 56.2% of adults were U.S. citizens, the lowest share among the six subgroups studied in detail.

    2. Indian Americans are among the most highly educated racial or ethnic groups in the U.S. 70% of Indian Americans aged 25 and older had college degrees in 2010, by far the highest rate among the six Asian-American groups studied and 2.5 times the rate among the overall U.S. population. More recent (2013) data from the American Community Survey provides more detail: 40.6% of Indian Americans 25 and older have graduate or professional degrees, and 32.3% have bachelor’s degrees; an additional 10.4% have some college education. One likely factor: the large segment of Indian Americans who entered the country under the H1-B visa program, which allow highly skilled foreign workers in designated “specialty occupations” to work in the U.S. In 2011, for example, 72,438 Indians received H1-B visas, 56% of all such visas granted that year.

    3. Not all Indian Americans are Hindu. Only about half (51%) of Indian Americans are Hindu, though nearly all Asian-American Hindus (93%) trace their heritage to India, according to our 2012 survey. 18% of Indian Americans identified themselves as Christians (as both Haley and Jindal do); 10% said they were Muslim. The religious shares of Indian Americans are markedly different from those of India itself (where an estimated 79.5% of the population is Hindu and only 2.5% is Christian, according to Pew Research’s 2012 Global Religious Landscape report), reflecting differential migration patterns.

    4. Indian Americans generally are well-off. Median annual household income for Indian Americans in 2010 was $88,000, much higher than for all Asian Americans ($66,000) and all U.S. households ($49,800) — perhaps not surprising, given their high education levels. Only 9% of adult Indian Americans live in poverty, compared with 12% of Asian Americans overall and 13% of the U.S. population. In 2010, by our analysis, 28% of Indian American worked in science and engineering fields; according to the 2013 American Community Survey, more than two-thirds (69.3%) of Indian Americans 16 and older were in management, business, science and arts occupations.

    5. Indian Americans lean left. 65% of Indian Americans were Democrats or leaned toward the Democrats, making them the Asian-American subgroup most likely to identify with the Democratic Party. An identical share of Indian Americans approved of Obama’s job performance in 2012.


    So it is appears that Indian-Americans are both highly educated and more liberal. This doesn't mean that many of them don't have racist views but conservatives tend to be more racist. Also while Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal are notable Republicans who are of Indian descent and both come from North Indian Hindu families (they are both Christian now) I don't think the are representative of the majority of Indian-American politicians. All of the Indian-American congressman are Democrats. However the OP did say that they were talking about North Indian Hindus so I looked up the background of each of these Congressman.

    1. Kamala Harris - She is a senator from California. While her mother is Indian she is a biracial woman whose father is a Black man of Jamaican descent.

    2. Pramila Jayapal - She is the U.S. Representative for Washington's 7th congressional district. She was born in Chennai, India which is the capital of Tamil Nadu a state in southern India.

    3. Raja Krishnamoorthi - He is the U.S. Representative for Illinois's 8th congressional district. He is a Hindu who was born in New Delhi.

    4. Ro Khanna - He is the United States Representative for California's 17th congressional district. He is a North Indian Hindu born in the United States.

    5. Ami Bera - He is the U.S. Representative for California's 7th congressional district. He is also a Hindu whose family immigrated to America from Mexico City.

    Make of that what you will. India may be a very racist country (I read that even Gandhi expressed racist views of Blacks in South Africa) but Indian-Americans who are born or raised here grow up in American culture where they are not accepted as White and like most minorities lean more to the left politically because it is in their best interest. I have no doubt that some are racist however they are not part of the White ruling class.
     
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    The Aryan Invasion theory is only incorrect insofar as positing that the Aryans invaded India; invasion like the Mongols invaded other people's territory under Genghis Khan and his descendants. But it is true that the North Indians are Caucasoids and closely related to their White European counterparts, which also explains why they speak the same Indo-European languages. But it is absolutely true that the Indo-Aryans settled in India and gradually displaced the indigenous people there, pushing them south, and creating a rigid caste system which any outside observer will clearly see is intimately connected with color.

    The racism experienced by upper caste North Indian Hindus in America is comparable to the racism that was initially faced by Italians, Irish, Polish, and East European immigrants. Racism against those groups ended quickly and the same is true for North Indian Hindus. But racism persists against non-White groups such as Indigenous, Mexicans, Blacks, and Asians, no matter how long they have been in the West, because North Indians, despite their different accent, are essentially White/Caucasian people.


    North Indians have a culture of being polite and friendly; something very common in Asia. But the anonymity of the internet allows for people to express their actual views and reveal their true colors. You will find that upper caste North Indian Hindus look down upon Muslims, Dalits, Blacks, and Mexicans (in that order). It is something ingrained into their psyche that Muslims and non-Caucasians are inferior to them. The ancient Vedic aspects of Hindu religion also has an impact on North Indians. Don't forget that Hitler borrowed the Swastika from North Indian Hindus; the notion of a "pure Aryan race". In India, Hindu nationalist groups often openly express their admiration for Nazism, and have modelled their Rashtriya Swayem Sevak Sangh (RSS) after the Hitler Youth and the SS.

    I think there is a general trend of North Indians moving over to the Republican Party as they become more successful, powerful and comfortable with their position in American society. Many North Indian Hindus love Trump and went out of their way this election cycle to support him as much as possible.
     

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