Novak Djokovic to remain in visa limbo until Monday as he fights deportation from Australia

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Novak Djokovic spent a day confined in an immigration detention hotel waiting for a court ruling and dealing with the prospect of deportation from Australia because of an issue with his visa application relating to COVID-19 vaccination regulations.

    With his visa canceled by Australian Border Force officials who rejected his evidence to support a medical exemption from the country's strict COVID-19 vaccination rules, Djokovic had to trade the practice courts for the law courts on Thursday.

    Djokovic's trip was contentious before he landed, when it emerged that the conservative federal government and the left-leaning state government of Victoria had differing views about what constituted acceptable grounds for an exemption to Australia's vaccination policy for visitors.
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    https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_...isa-limbo-monday-fights-deportation-australia

    Lot of tectonic plates coming into contact here... I guess I had no idea that Australia had a "red" government, but the tournament is played in a "blue" state... Who wins in that fight?

    Djokovic hasn't revealed his vaccination status, which is obvious code for he's not...

    Reading this article, it makes it seem that the Serbian government and his parents are treating this as some sort of anti-Serbian policy... What hogwash is that??

    I don't dislike Novak, but he was being an irresponsible asshat last year when he caught COVID and I suspect he's doing the same here...

    I'm wondering where my Aussie friends are falling on this situation?? @Bowerbird et al.....
     
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    I've admired and respected Novak for a very long time. I can't wait for the crowd response the next time he walks out on the court. From what I've seen and read so far, he can KMA.
     
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    Too bad he cannot grasp the rules of Australia as well as he understands the rules of tennis.
     
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    He (Novak) clearly stated (read the NYTs on this) https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/sports/tennis/novak-djokovic-australia-visa.html that he was not vaccinated. He obtained from the Australians, an exemption to play in Australia for the duration of the tournament. He wouldn't have shown up without that agreement and visa in place. Subsequently to that visa being issued, someone used his case to make a point. These are pretty rigid folks in the Australian government these days, and like so many Democrats in this country (the US) believe in their ability to ignore both science and good reason in their pursuit of being the petty little tyrants that they are.

    Two things to note here. First, Novak tested negative. he wasn't a carrier into the country. Second, the Australian government reneged on their agreement that produced the exception on which the visa was granted in the first place.

    I suppose in the world of choice, lots of folks don't have to go to Australia. And given their obvious authoritarianism why would anyone really want to go there now?
     
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    Just a question. Does his having had COVID already and having the antibodies because of it, not give him more than adequate immunity? It seems that suddenly natural immunity doesn't overcome the idea that you must have a shot. That doesn't seem to be either good medicine, or good science.
     
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    They kicked his anti-vaxx butt out of the country.
     
  7. Egoboy

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    Not yet, but that seems to be the plan...
     
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    With all the new variants out there since he was confirmed with COVID, probably not...

    There are valid medical exemptions out there... Novak just doesn't seem to meet any of them....

    "From my point of view, that's the only thing that I can say is I believe in what the people who know about medicine say, and if the people say that we need to get vaccinated, we need to get the vaccine."

    - R. Nadal
     
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    He has been asked to leave

    NOVAK DJOKOVIC DENIED AUSTRALIA VISA, WILL BE DEPORTED TO RAISE DOUBTS OVER 2022 AUSTRALIAN OPEN TITLE DEFENCE
    There was an incredible situation in Melbourne as world No 1 Novak Djokovic was turned away at the airport and told he would need to return to Serbia. Djokovic had been granted a medical exemption to play at the Australian Open, but was unable to provide "appropriate standards of proof" for it, and thus denied entry to the country. Stream the 2022 Australian Open live and on demand on discovery+
    https://www.eurosport.com/tennis/au...port-following-medical_sto8694225/story.shtml

     
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    Sorry, my ESPN link in the OP is timestamped after yours with more current info

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    Federal Circuit Court Judge Anthony Kelly adjourned Djokovic's case until Monday because of a delay in receiving the application for a review of the visa decisions and the temporary ban on his deportation. A lawyer for the government agreed that Djokovic should not be deported before the next hearing.
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    He's likely gone next week, but he's still in country.... read the entire ESPN article... it's pretty detailed...
     
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    You say these things as if they are facts. But the Australians disagree with you since they were the once who believed that his exemption was appropriate, and then reneged on that agreement. Who cares was Nadal thinks about anything?
     
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    You're cheering for the autocracy... why is no one here surprised...
     
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    They believed his exemption was appropriate based on information provided by Djokovic, which apparently didn't pass muster when examined live...

    It's not the first time somebody fudged on an application for something or that circumstances changed after the application was submitted...
     
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    Seems to be you're just making a lot of assumptions. The NYTs article was pretty detailed. I did link it earlier. And now, because of the idea that Australia is actively excluding the defending champ of their tennis tourney that they seem to be trying to refocus the narrative to make them not look as stupid internationally as they already are.
     
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    Its a democracy, and a sovereign country. They have laws, and those who visit the country and are not willing to respect those laws are asked to leave. It works the same in US.

    For 22 years US banned anyone with AIDS from entering the US. Did that mean US was autocracy? Of course not. Out country, - our rules. Same goes for Australia, but for some reason you think Australia should not have the right to enforce their own laws. Why is that?
     
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    B/c maybe a Tennis Pro might want a chance at a share of $50+ Million (USD) Prize Pool and a $3+ Million 1st Place Check?
    ^That would be my guess.

    A lot of people.
    Certainly a lot of ATP Fans.
    And, Rafa is exponentially (by magnitudes) loved more than Joker.

    Hopefully, NOVaxx isn't allowed to play.
    But, in any event, they need to make a quick decision (one way or the other) to get the Betting Markets out of Limbo.
     
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    LOL at NOVaxx... I'm bummed that's not mine...

    Obviously, this entire thing is just a pretext before the expected Australian invasion of Serbia....
     
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    Oh, the delicious irony...
    Novak Djokovic
    NOVaxx Djokovic
     
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    Which, when presented to opportunity to support it's own set of rules chose, instead, to reject its own rules to single out Novak. Democracy can produce, and in this case, has produced a majority of stupid authoritarians. And you're here cheering for that. Yup. Australia is a sovereign nation who benefit from the PR they get from hosting a major tennis tournament. I call for the USTA and ITSA to strip this tournament from Australia because of their ridiculous politicians.

    To answer your example. That was a policy that dr Anthony Fauci put in place. Did you know that? But hey, you like him now.. And to put a super fine point on it, no one ever asked if anyone was HIV positive or suffered from AIDs on entry. You again support what is egregiously authoritarian and entirely dismiss what a human right is. You'll support my body my choice when it comes to exterminating unwanted/inconvenient pregnancy, but you won't apply the same doctrine to vaccinations.

    So, you're fundamentally incorrect about the facts in play in this conversation, and you'd still continue to advocate for the tyranny of the mob.
     
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    So, greed? That's what you think motivates folks today? Typical. As for who loves whom, who cares. Nadal hasn't been competitive in years. And you're allowing your own personal spite to get in the way of your self professed liberalism. Why should anyone be discriminated against? If he had AIDs, would you similarly ban him from playing? If not, what's the difference.
     
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    He was not singled out. Same requirement applied to everyone, and everyone else passed the requirement, and he did not. Its as simple as that.

    Whiners will whine. Well, first they knowingly disrespect the laws of the nation, and then they whine. There are also those who whine on behalf of others, which is what you are doing here.

    Every single non-citizen was asked that question.

    Authoritarian? If you say so.

    Maybe people should be allowed to enter with no questions asked, not even passport, to avoid being labeled authoritarian. Is that what you want?

    You don't have ANY right to enter Australia or any other country unless they permit it. Human right.....LOL

    Listen to yourself. Sounds like you want borders like they have between France and Germany, where you don't even notice where one country ends and the next begins. No questions asked.

    No, I don't. Stop lying.

    Law and order = Tyranny..... Who are you? El Chapo?
     
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    It is if you lie about it. The visa was granted. Fact. Had it not been granted Novak could not have left from Dubai. It's shocking how ignorant folks are about the simplest of things. Fact, Novak had to have a visa before traveling on a plane. Even if this was private aviation, it is still a requirement that all international folks have to comply with to leave the country, especially Dubai. From personal experience, for example, if you did not have an entrance visa into Kuwait, you were stuck in Dubai on a visitor temp visa until the Kuwaitis process and approved your visa. That is how this works.

    So, he was issued a visa. Only after it became political (meaning two independent medical boards had to review his application to get the visa in the first place, (see NYTs article already posted) which was only then reminded because politicians singled him out and rejected the visa, including the PM of Australia. That you are so factually wrong and yet still willing to argue on the basis of a lie is disgusting at this point.
     
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    Really??

    Winner of the French and US Open in 2019, and the French in 2020? Quarter Finalist and Semi Finalist in his only 2 majors last year?? Record in the majors the last 3 years = 44-5

    I'd hate to see competitive....
     
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    What were his results in 2021 again?
     
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    It appears he may have lied about having had the disease? When questioned about that claim, he was unable to produce any evidence to support it.
     
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