NRA Has Worked for Decades to Block Efforts to Regulate Type of Explosive in Pipe Bombs

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  1. Galileo

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    "WASHINGTON - Numerous news sources report that at least some of the pipe bombs targeting political figures, the media, and others this week were constructed with black powder....

    "The NRA’s decades-long campaign against regulating these common explosives benefits domestic and foreign terrorists who use bombs to intimidate and spread fear. The lack of regulation also financially benefits gun industry members whose companies sell these explosives or related products. These include Pete Brownell of Brownells, who until recently was the NRA’s president, and the NRA’s top firearms industry financial patron, MidwayUSA.

    "VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, 'The lack of regulation of black and smokeless powder is a time bomb that threatens all Americans. For decades, the NRA has successfully blocked public safety measures in order to protect the profits of the gun industry. Now, these explosives are being used to target those the NRA identifies as its enemies.'

    "The VPC study details the history—from the 1970s to the present—of how the NRA and members of the firearms industry have successfully worked to stop the regulation of black and smokeless powder.

    "These efforts have paid off in financial benefits to the NRA’s 'corporate partners' in the firearms industry who sell these explosives and related products including NRA board member and former NRA President Pete Brownell, CEO of Brownells, the 'world’s largest supplier of firearms accessories and gunsmithing tools.' Brownells has contributed between $1 million and $4.9 million to the NRA as a 'corporate partner' and is a member of the organization’s 'Golden Ring of Freedom,' an honorary society for donors who give a million dollars or more.

    "Fellow 'Golden Ring of Freedom' member Larry Potterfield, founder of MidwayUSA, is the NRA’s most generous 'corporate partner.' As in prior years, MidwayUSA was the 'official sponsor' of the NRA Annual Meetings and Exhibits held this past May in Dallas, Texas. Through the creation of its Round-Up Program, MidwayUSA has channeled $15.5 million to the NRA as a 'corporate partner.' Additional Round-Up revenue from non-MidwayUSA corporate participants brings the total to $17.2 million."
    https://www.commondreams.org/newswi...ck-efforts-regulate-type-explosive-reportedly

    Who cares about innocent victims when you're getting millions in kickbacks....
     
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    In other news, the federal and state governments have been collecting millions of dollars in taxes for decades on the most commonly used arson catalyst.
     
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    Totally false, black powder is a low explosive and smokeless powder is even less energetic.

    Not true, but a nice mixing of two different types of propellants to make a false point.
     
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    It is hardly a difficult feat for one to successfully produce black powder within the confine of their own home. Attempting to regulate what is sold in stores will yield no meaningful benefit. The fact that the anarchist cookbook is still freely available to anyone and everyone that seeks it out is proof of such.

    Beyond that particular matter, exactly what type of regulations on black and smokeless powders are being proposed for consideration? Explain such.
     
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    quoting the Vile Propaganda Center is a joke. what stuff do you think is used in pipe bombs. I will give you a hint-the sort of gun powder you can buy on the internet doesn't cut it/ The Lying VPC deliberately intermixes smokeless powder with black powder. Last I checked I cannot by blackpowder anywhere as easily as say winchester 231 or Hodgon Clays
     
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    gun banners don't understand that smokeless powder is worthless for bombs
     
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    I figured how to make black powder in my early teens. I originally composed a post describing how I did it and how I made better compounds, but decided not to reveal that info here, despite there being other sources on the Net. It’s amazing I survived my early years; I knew a couple others that didn’t.
    You are correct, it would be impossible to regulate bomb making ingredients from stores or net sources as making explosive compounds, superior to black powder, requires only rudimentary knowege of chemistry and ingredients can be easily obtained from inoxulous products of daily use. I can think of one common use product, costing less than $1, that can easily, with no other ingredient, be turned into an explosive compound that would be as, perhaps more, effective than black powder and that product will never be banned or regulated. And that product could be turned into a superior means of doing what the idiot from Florida was attempting to do.
    As for instructions with using commonly available materials, there are many sources for them impossible to suppress and many can even be intuited from product warnings. Reading the Anarchist Cookbook is as instructive of the simplicity of making dangereous compounds as it is of their use, but isn’t some secret knowledge that can’t be obtained elsewhere.
    Despite black powder and and other smokeless powders being available at the time, I don’t remember instructions for making devices from those ingredients. I can think of one other common product that can easily be turned into an extremely volatile substance far more dangereous than any powder used as bullet propellant with significantly less volume.
    Like those advocating gun control, ignoring the obvious... the evil intent of individuals, that think they can prevent violence by banning the means, they don’t understand the ingenuity of the human mind in satisfying evil objectives. Geez, how many were killed in a single day using box cutters? Before that, who’d have thought? Well for making explosives, box cutter equivalents exist.
    I am waiting for someone to advocate for making smart powders... only work for specific, non lethal, uses.
     
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    The core of the Anti-gun movement fully understands that, but they are single issue, with a single cause, eliminate the second.

    Doing so furthers the larger plan of Progressive Socialism.

    Each one of them with their own sub-cause have a common goal.
     
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    You misattributed the quote in your post.
     
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    No calls to regulate pipes? I knew you folks were total frauds on a mindless agenda. No pipe bombs without pipes, but no, you have to go after something covered by the 2nd Amendment. You gun grabbers make me sick...
     
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    Nothing is truer than this statement

    For decades, the NRA has successfully blocked public safety measures in order to protect the profits of the gun industry.
     
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    Actually, that statement is a bald-faced lie, but such is to be expected from certain kinds of people.
     
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    Because if you restrict the purchase of powder, folks will just extract it from ammunition (easily accomplished with any pliars). Laws so easily cirumvented are not good laws.
     
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    No its not
     
  16. Galileo

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    Incorrect.

    "Smokeless powder generally requires no Federal license or permit, and there are no recordkeeping requirements. However, keep in mind smokeless powder is the explosives material most often used in pipe bombs and other explosive improvised devices."
    https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/a...ent-atf-requests-assistance-national/download
     
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    Just what is the annual death toll to pipe bombs to make this such a issue?
     
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    Incorrect. The NRA does have a history of opposing regulation of black powder as well as smokeless powder:

    "In July 1970, the NRA—joined by gun industry trade association the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF)—objected in Congressional testimony to including smokeless and black powder within the scope of proposed legislation. At a hearing before a subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee, NRA President Woodson Scott argued that regulation of explosives exceeded the federal government’s constitutional authority....

    "The final bill contained an exemption for 'small arms ammunition and components thereof' that applied to most smokeless powder as well an exemption for 'black powder in quantities not to exceed five pounds.'7....

    "The Committee passed an amendment to the bill limiting the exemption to quantities not exceeding 50 pounds. The final version was approved by Congress in December 1974 and was signed into law by President Ford on January 4, 1975. A headline in the February 1975 American Rifleman bragged, 'NRA Engineers Big Break for Blackpowder Shooters.' The article stated, 'In a major victory for the NRA and its supporters in Congress, both Houses passed an amended version of the Blackpowder Exemption Bill (S. 1083)....' The article noted, 'The bill’s passage climaxed many months of efforts by the NRA’s Office of Legislative Affairs.' "
    http://www.vpc.org/studies/timebomb.pdf
     
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    Thats like saying pro-choicers are protecting abortion clinic profits. Its technically true, but misses the point entirely.

    The NRA is protecting the right to bear arms. Gun industry profits necessarily benefit, but that isn't the goal.
     
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    LOL, regulating gun powder is unconstitutional?

    Feel free to step up to the plate and make an actual argument.
     
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    What's the quantified danger?
     
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    Stupid.
    It threatens a statistically insignificant number of americans
     
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    LOL-it doesn't work very well. Blackpowder is far more effective. I note your link doesn't say EFFECTIVE.
    gun banners want to ban reloading which would in turn, radically decrease sport shooting. which is the goal of gun banners
     
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    Statistically insignificant? What is your p-value? What is your alpha? Or are you just using a term you don't understand?
     
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    Quantify the actual number of dead killed in the last ten years by pipe bombs. That's simple raw data.
     
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