Oath Keepers Member 1st To Plead Guilty In Capitol Riot Probe

Ah. Obsession

Who would have know than people attempting to stop the vote for the president of the United States of America by breaking into the seat of the most powerful nation on Earth’s legislative branch would have caused such an issue.

If it would have been a foreign military base or a Sears maybe the trumpers would have cared but because it involved the cult leader it was just another Wednesday.

Nothing to see here, much last the last four years that completely discredited the nation.

If we change the investigation to Benghazi or email related will you support that level of time on it?

 

'Most powerful nation'. Maybe militarily, but in everything else we've clearly declined. That aside, they weren't attempting to 'stop the vote for the President', at best a few wanted to change the certification of the results but that wasn't going to succeed(and none of them came close, instead taking selfies on Pelosi's desk and other such nonsense.)

The event, back then and even now with the facts has been trivialized completely out of proportion.

 

A few !!!!
https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...epublicans-say-2020-election-was-invalid-poll
Most still do !!!!

Maybe if those who refuse to accept the gravity and its historical significance subject themselves to some due inflection, the USA will change its direction for the better.

 

Benghazi also didn’t succeed.

Is your argument really that it wasn’t successful and thus doesn’t matter?

 

My argument is that we should refrain from making things bigger than they are(as well as mistaking them) lest we find ourselves with a REAL coup attempt of a sitting President and then "oops, that's really a coup".

What the 6th was, was a bunch of misguided fools having a violent temper tantrum.

 

20years for trespassing with bear spray? That cannot be 20years. What else did they find?

 

No, it would've been 20 years if not for the plea agreeement(based on the nature of the charge itself.). Due to the plea agreements, he's actually looking at a 6-9 year prison stay, depending on the actualities.

 

Where are his ties to Antifa and BLM? The MSM was telling me they were masquerading as Trump supporters. Did they lie to me?

 

Schaffer pleaded guilty to obstruction of an official proceeding and entering and remaining in a restricted building with a deadly or dangerous weapon – both felony counts that could carry up to 20 years in prison.

 

I am assuming the bear spray is the 'dangerous weapon'. Trumped up charges. That explains why the prosecuter agreed to take it down to only three years. Most of the charges were over the top. To bad he wasn't a leftist rioter. He would be getting free back on the streets even after he committed violence and destruction of property.

Do they have anyone for violence and assault? Why are we talking about a guy with bear spray who trespassed? This is the poster boy the left wants to use?

 

It's because he is the first to do a plea deal. You know, where he will rat on the others.
Evidently he and his lawyer thought it was a good deal. Maybe you should call him and see if he wants to hire you.

 

How long can we go without anyone being charged with insurrection (Schaffer is not being charged with insurrection) before we can agree that it wasn't an insurrection?

 

I didn't state any issues with taking the plea deal. I was surprised the prosecuter agreed to reduce it so much. Maybe read before you respond?

 

I don't care what it's called, and we don't have to agree on anything. I want accountability. Full accountability.

 

Maybe they are saving that one.

 

Speaking of reading.
Why would you say that. The article said that was the sentencing guidelines.

 

Maybe it was just a riot.

 

You don't care if a riot is being politicized as an insurrection?

 

I for one am more concerned that an insurrection is being portrayed as a riot by the same people who supported it because they share the belief that the election was stolen.

 

You don't care if an insurrection is being politicized as a riot?

 

I believe the election was stolen. But I also believe rioters are criminals and should go to jail.

 

When I see evidence there was a plot to overthrow the govt, I'll start caring about insurrection. So far all i've seen is a riot.

 

But the election was not stolen. There is no evidence that it was. Those who have made the claim have no evidence and no credibility.

You live in a democracy and elect your leaders, so you had better start taking responsibility to be informed.

 

All in a day's work.

 

It is bad enough that Republicans have allowed a toxic combination of disinformation (including from foreign sources), partisanship and peer pressure to create an alternative reality for them from a vast and ever-growing collection of alternative facts, but as of November last year they have also allowed this to destroy their faith in our democratic institutions.

I warned you guys and gals that Trump was dangerous. Whether he is knowingly deceitful or himself deceived, he spreads disinformation and uses it to create a cult around himself. Now you've allowed him to lead you so far astray that you're prepared to undo an election (or stand back and stand by and allow others to do that for you) and install a dictator. Trump lost. Every state followed the same counting procedures they always do. Nothing was different in 2020, apart from expanded mail-in voting due to the pandemic. But mail-in voting is no less secure than in-person voting. Even in the swing states with Republican majorities, no fraud has been found.

Guys like Trump do not make a nation great. On the contrary, guys like him are guys like Muamar Gaddafi and Bashar al-Asad. They lie to their people and lie to the world to keep themselves in power and cover their butts, and because humans are naturally stupid and gullible, they always have a following. Because humans are also naturally risk-averse, they will generally either go along with the strongman, keep quiet, or even flee.

Trigger warning: Hitler. He used a crisis to his political advantage (Reichstag fire) the way Trump used a crisis of his own invention (election "rigging"), and also like Trump, he and his supporters attacked the press as fake news ("Lügenpresse" - lying press), invented or hyped up threats to scare people into submission (Communists and Jews, the way Trump has used immigrants and Antifa) and relied on propaganda, no matter how false, to win and maintain enough populist support to remain in power indefinitely. We dodged a Republic kill-shot by voting Trump out in 2020 and not allowing him to cheat his way into remaining in office despite that loss. He tried very hard to steal the election, ironically enough, with his Big Lie about a stolen election. He also sat back and enjoyed the show on January 6th by all reports. Given how long it took him to issue any statement and given how fawning it was toward the "very special" insurrectionists and rioters, there is no reason not to believe that he indeed enjoyed it and probably even sincerely hoped that it would help him overturn the election and remain in office.

We cannot allow such a man to rise to power in this country. We must learn from history and be vigilant.