Oath Keepers Member 1st To Plead Guilty In Capitol Riot Probe

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  1. ronv

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    Jon Schaffer, a guitarist and songwriter for the heavy metal band Iced Earth, entered his plea during a hearing in federal court in Washington, D.C. The plea agreement, which comes 100 days after a mob of Trump supporters violently overran the Capitol, marks a significant step for prosecutors in the case.

    At Friday's hearing, U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta walked Schaffer through the plea agreement and the charges."Are you pleading guilty, Mr. Schaffer, because you are in fact guilty, sir?" Mehta asked."Yes," Schaffer replied.
    Mehta said the agreement stipulates that Schaffer fully cooperate with investigators, including providing testimony and witness interviews.

    So much for a slap on the wrist.

    The two charges against him carry a maximum sentence of 20 years and 10 years, respectively, although the judge said that — in light of the plea agreement — Schaffer is facing from 3 1/2 to four years under sentencing guidelines.

    Oath Keepers Member 1st To Plead Guilty In Capitol Riot Probe : NPR
     
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    Well, well, didn't we hear from RW media that 1/6 was really instigated by undercover Antifa? So much for that theory...
     
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    I'd also read that prosecutors are willing to enroll him in the witness protection program if he chooses - which means he's going to be spilling serious dirt as part of his agreement.
     
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    Thoughts and prayers, dont do the crime if you cant do the time....

    I bet he is super exited now he is a felon he cant buy or have a gun now!

    Bet you he regrets watching all those hate filled news broadcast now!!!

    LOL.........SUCKER!
     
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    That's one. I presume much more will follow.
     
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    Agreed. Everyone saw this coming. Why anyone would follow a bungling amateur like Donald Trump is mind boggling.

    Not that we haven't been able to connect dots until now, but it will become increasingly difficult to distance the America First "movement" from white nationalism.

    We know who the Oath Keepers are.

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    And we know who Trump speaks to.

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  7. AmericanNationalist

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    There's ONE plea agreement and everyone jumps for joy. This is like a domestic version of the Russian conspiracy theory. Let me be a Debbie downer: There's no insurrection charges, nothing of the sort.

    The charges: obstructing an official proceeding and entering restricted grounds with a dangerous weapon.
     
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    Yes, ONE. That's the point. It's just starting. There are 420 people being charged so far.

    Capitol Riot Arrests: Updated List of Who Has Been Charged so Far (insider.com)

    It's not going away, if that's what you're thinking.
     
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    It's not about it going away, it's about it(like everything else related to the criminal courts) will depress team Democrat. There was no insurrection, there was no plan. There was a riot. And just like Russia-gate, this is going to hang over us forever as people/prosecutors can't even accept that fact.
     
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    I hate to say but it makes sense. Divide and conquer, prisoner's dilemma. It's a common tactic. Heck I teach it to my students.
     
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    Now we have some Trump supporting Congressmen and women starting an Anglo-Saxon political movement. Seems they no longer care to hide it.
     
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    You're jumping the gun. You know none of that to be true. Indeed, plea deals aren't going to be offered because it was as you describe. There's obviously more to this we're not aware of yet.

    Your hangup with the word "insurrection" noted.
     
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    My hangup with it, is due to the obsession that had surrounded it. And quite frankly, it's the same obsession towards everything else around Donald Trump. For the sake of the country, these prosecutions should conclude with the rightful sentences as quickly as possible, rather than try to sniff out for a plot that might not exist.
     
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    Still obsessing over a handful of right wing yahoos that caused a nothingburger ruckus 4 months ago, while packs of rampaging leftist lunatics continue to loot, burn and wreak nonstop havoc in cities across America.

    smh

    It's like you're being attacked by a dozen Grizzly Bears, and you're terrified and screaming because you saw a squirrel in your yard last week.
     
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    I hadn't noticed any obsession, present company excepted.

    Your mind is made up. I prefer to wait for the evidence. I realize you want it to go away, but it isn't going away. No time soon. Actually, it's being written in history books as we speak, no doubt.
     
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    There was definitely a plot, at least among some. How big or how organized it was ,we’ll have to wait and see? Regardless stiff penalties, and a stiff message should be sent to anyone who thinks this riot, insurrection, whatever anyone wants to call it was a good idea.
     
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    Speaking of good ideas, what message should we be sending to all the hordes of leftist lunatics who think it's a good idea to continue to rampage through American cities as we speak? Because the only message the leftist-slanted media seems to be sending is "Keep up the good work!"
     
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    Same message, no double standard from me. Aholes get treated like Aholes regardless of what ideology they pray to. Peace and law and order first and foremost as far as I’m concerned.
     
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    Are you at all concerned about the obvious double standard that's on display? The right wing yahoos are being extensively investigated and aggressively prosecuted, while the rampaging leftist lunatics are free to breeze through the revolving door of the progressive-run court systems, and even having had their bail posted by Biden and Harris staffers. Does it concern you that the leftist lunatic Aholes are being treated more like freedom fighters than the destructive Aholes that they obviously are?
     
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    What concerns me is your time machine. It's stuck on 2020. Not to mention your apparent harmony with America First.
     
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    I don't know what "America First" is, and I don't know what point you're trying to make about 2020.

    There are leftist lunatics rampaging RIGHT NOW TODAY.

    Or hadn't you noticed?
     
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    Yes, I speak up often on here on how the right, especially white men are often public enemy number one, especially in the media, while the left and minorities are often given a free pass. That doesn’t mean I won’t speak out against white men or anyone else that does something reprehensible, like what happened at the Capitol. I can do both.
     
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    Good answer. I can respect that.
     
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    I'd say 10 years at least and more like 20. These people are dumb AND mean. They need to be put away forever but failing that we need to make sure they are in prison at least until they're too old to cause much trouble, for you can be sure they will try.

    Besides, I've heard Iced Earth. The world needs protection from these people.
     
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    Lunatics rampage everywhere all the time. I noticed that before I got out of grade school. If that's your point, then I don't know what to tell you.
     

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