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I do canning and NO ONE is taking my pressure cooker away from me.....without a fight.

 

A pity you are so brazen, presumptuous and out of touch that you would try to dictate to Americans who the patriots in this country are. Thanks for the comedy.

 

We already limit who can legally buy a gun. Felons cannot buy them legally. So, the question is, should we give a constitutional right, freely, to those that are radical muslim sympathizers, who will then use those guns against americans, in terrorists attacks? Or transfer them to others who will?

Of course we provide thousands of radical muslims guns in the middle east to take out secular gov'ts. So we may as well provide them with guns here too. We sell them guns which are then used to kill American soldiers, so why not sell them guns to kill americans here on our own soil? Sounds reasonable and rational to me.

Gun sales exploded under Obama. From people like my brother who used to own a hunting rifle, and a handgun. He now has a small arsenal, for he was told that Obama was gonna stop gun sales, and even take his guns. So he spent more than he would ever have, in the fear that he would no longer be able to own a gun.

But have no doubt about it. There are people on the left, who live in urban areas, that would take the right to own guns away, if they could. But the 2nd amendment is in their way. So, they now want to do it by a sneaky back door move. If they could sue gun makers, and gun shop owners, small business, the next time some nut killed a bunch of kids in school, they could literally put gun makers out of business, and those that sell them in small gun shops. Problem solved. At least for new sales. Clinton wants this, sanders does not. Sanders knows what Clinton is trying to do. And all the others who do not believe we should have a bill of rights. That bill of rights is an inconvenience for an oligarchy who fear an armed population. For sooner or later, an oligarchy created by neoliberalism, causes too much suffering, and an armed, suffering population is a threat to the elites and their schemes to create the greatest income disparity ever seen in a modern civilization.

 

That and aiding and abetting a terrorist group is already a crime.. Unless you are part of the Government of course.

 

Patriotism isn't a difficult quality to ascertain no matter where you're from. You guys don't qualify.

It's known as aiding and abetting the enemy.

 

Your lot ARE the enemy, so no wonder you don't know about love of country. It isn't even your country and the left has never liked America particularly and that's why they are always trying to subvert it so, constitutionally and otherwise.

I'd love to chat with you all day about things you presumptively think you know but informing you is too big a task for me to take on. And frankly, you aren't worth the bother.

 

So now fighting for our rights against progressive fascism is un-American? Go figure.

 

Obamas statements and logic are horrendous, because there have been people on THIS website who have clicked past links to ISIS websites that were posted here just to see what they were like... so that means every person who clicks on a link is subject to have rights removed, despite taking no action, or having any intent, they were just curious and went to take a look... and now he wants people restricted in life for merely looking or listening to something... and you're right, this is another step closer to what we see in europe, where people have watered down their rights so much, they now can't even insult certain people without arrest and fines... one step closer...

P.S. I mean we already have an example of what happens when the IRS pressures a certain group, and then its dismissed as a single rogue employee, who literally changed an election by being able to silence people just long enough, and only after were they stopped from abusing their powers... its disgusting whats accepted... power over ideology, thats when corruption happens...

 

Interesting viewpoint. Allow me to retort.

First of all, if Obama was doing his job, we wouldn't have ISIS terrorists in this country in the first place.

Secondly, "no fly" lists and "terrorist" watch lists are completely unconstitutional by themselves. Why? I'm glad you asked.

There is no criteria to be placed on such a list. A suspected terrorists neighbors, coworkers, or deliverymen can be placed on such a list by low level bureaucrats.

There is no due process involved on being placed on the list.

You are not informed you are placed on such a list.

You have no recourse to be removed from such a list if you find out you're on one inadvertently, such as attempting to get on an airplane.

These "lists" are the equivalent to modern McCarthyism, and EVERYONE should be against the very existence of these lists.

If we have suspected terrorists in this country, they should be watched, but without due process the Constitution does not allow you to lose your rights based on suspicion.

In our country people are innocent until proven guilty.

Are you suggesting suspicion alone should be enough for the government to strip you of your rights? I'd suggest re-evaluating your stance on these government black lists.

Obama didn't "own" anyone, he is just continuing to spew lies and attempt his continuing assault on the Constitution.

 

I agree. Let's prevent them from even coming into the country.

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

No, he isn't right.

The flaw in your thinking, and Obama's, is that no transparent and verifiable criteria based process is in place to determine who is an "active ISIS supporter" and who is simply curious about ISIS. Just looking at a website is not enough to suspend a constitutional right. Even having sympathetic feelings is not enough if you never take action on them.

Sending money to ISIS, helping to smuggle terrorists into the country, actively trying to travel to join ISIS....absolutely, take away their right to firearms.

Reading a website to try and understand your enemy isn't a crime.

If you want support for some thing like this, a clear system of due process must be established including a process by which a citizen can defend him/herself BEFORE any rights are stripped away.

 

Do illegal gun sellers ask of an ID? Do illegal gun sellers impose a 14 day waiting period? Do illegal gun sellers make the buyers take an 8 hour gun safety course? Do illegal gun sellers make the buyer fill out a background check? Local gun shops in the US do.

 

Cool. So what did those two in San bernadino do?

 

Obama never said he was interested in stopping those who'd only glanced at a website. The FBI generally builds a better portfolio of information than that.

 

Agreed. I have no problem with stopping large swathes of people. The USA already does for all sorts of reasons.

I don't think stopping people from certain troubled regions getting quick access is a problem.

 

Are you saying that some Muslim who regularly looks at pernicious websites and who actively seeks to help terrorists abroad but who hasn't actually done anything yet shouldn't have his ability to arm himself to the teeth affected?

Do you think that's a safe approach?

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Terrorism is under American. Agreed?

 

No, I'm for charging them for crimes and, if convicted of plotting to commit mass murder, the death penalty to be carried out immediately.

You realize these lists are another tool of government that allows them to place anyone on a terrorist watch list as they desire.

If this is allowed, what is to prevent the government from deciding YOU are a terrorist? If this is allowed, the Constitution is being directly assaulted by our government, and gives them broader powers that could allow a tyrannical government to take hold.

Stop allowing them in the country until a proper process can be put in place, and we won't have this problem to begin with.

Putting US citizens into danger by putting these kind of people in our country, and then allowing processes to be put in place such as this for our "safety" is clearly a real danger to every concept our country was founded on.

 

They used a straw a buyer.

The real question is how was Marquez able to pass the required background check? He did.

 

if he is an ISIS sympathizer pass a law making it illegal to be one then arrest him drag him into court find him guilty then you can take his guns away or keep him from buying one

I will repeat what I said you cant take away ones constitutional rights without due process period end of argument

 

correct and that felon became a felon thanks to due process
if you don't want terrorist to be able to own or obtain guns you better have enough evidence he is what you claim he is. drag them into court convict them of being so. then you have every right to take his guns away or keep him from obtaining any

 

OMG, you must be a major stock holder in the Obama brand of Kool AId. Wiping out isis islam-o-nazis is something Obama won't do, and that is according to most of his military advisers. Obama is a pathetic inept liar, but he's your hero

 

the ex-felon is a ex-felon thanks to due process there for a right can be taken away

 

once they have paid their debt to society punishment ends..... they are again free Americans

you want longer sentences do it the right way, at sentencing..... stop trying to turn our rights into privileges

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I predict that within the next 50 years, dems try to do to gun owners, what they did to smokers

tax bullets sky high, no constitutional right to own tax free bullets, and they may even add something to them to make them less desirable like the FSC added to cigarettes, they will call it the KSB Kill Safe Bullet....


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Good question. Do you think Obama should be targeted as threatening gun rights for trying to stop this sort of thing?