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NO. But your making this an "either/or" which it is not.

I pointed out the hypocrisy of the right for blaming Obama for them being here, but not for stopping them from buying guns. Im for common sense gun laws. But there are people among us (this is not directed at you) who have fought common sense guns laws since day one under the guise of the second amendment somehow being an infinite right.

They support "deporting them", yet buying a gun is where they must draw the line when it comes to "rights".

 

Bingo. If they want to keep somebody from owning a gun they should put them away for life without parole. If they are a danger to society, it's the only way to keep them from obtaining weapons.
Once somebody has served their time their punishment should be over.
If you've done your time, you've paid for your crime!

 

I wonder why supposed conservatives don't seem to get this ^^^^^?
They seem to not understand that these ex post facto laws are designed to erode our rights.
They have been designed by liberals to confuse the issues.
It's similar to how they have been able to separate the developmental stages of a baby into different parts to deny that it's a baby.
They have been able to confuse the way to deal with violent criminals by saying you can "rehabilitate" and release then back into society but then deny them their rights. Like the right to own a gun or vote or run for office.
This ensures frustration and recidivism.
And gives them a reason to advocate gun restrictions by degree.

 

Apparently you don't know the law.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/118/What+are+the+firearms+possession+rules+for+non-U.S.+citizens%3F
Foreign nationals must obtain permission to own or carry now!
Stop being a low information liberal..

 

It really shows you who the "Traitors" are, doesn't it?

 

ummmm, please read what I posted....

 

The answer is obvious.

Black lists do not follow due process.

Deportation does.

 

Again, you base the premise of not allowing them to own guns on an unconstitutional process.

ANY law based around government black lists should never be allowed.

What do you not understand about the dangers of allowing the government to strip your rights away, simply due to suspicion?

 

The idea that some foreign super leftist can presume to lecture
me on who has this nation's best interests at heart is about as offensive and presumptuous as it gets. It's hard to believe such a person could exist.

 

If you support these lists, then you support taking away rights with zero due process.

 

Please read what I post


YOU are the one who said that they can be deported, but that we cannot remove their "right" to own a gun.

You're the one defining which rights can be stripped. I never agreed that either one can be stripped

Which right do they loose ? In you're scenario they loose one, you just don't want it to be the right to buy a gun

 

Saw this recently. The guy asked about Chicago and its gun control and why Obama and the state are denying people the right to defend themselves if they won't expend the effort to round up the criminals and put them away. Obama answered with a soliloquy on background checks, "common sense" and NRA and Congress blocking more gun control.

Did NOT answer the guy's question about Chicago and its defenseless residents.

 

I already explained this to you very clearly.

Putting someone on a list without due process and stripping them of things covered under the Bill of Rights without due process is Unconstitutional.

Deportation is a PROCEDURE that involves DUE PROCESS and PROOF of wrongdoing.

What you are suggesting is that people loose their individual freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights based ONLY on suspicion.

It is downright Orwellian.

 

Bears beats Battlestar Galactica.

This is what I think every time I see your avatar.

 

they can deported after due process after it has been determined they are in the country illegally they broke the law entering
just like if you want to take away or keep people from owning a gun that are on the no fly list drag them into court with your proof with your evidence prove to a judge or jury they are terrorist or enough reasonable suspicion they are terrorist

 

Lol Dwight Schrute gets you eh?

Should look at it closer. I find his statement hilarious. He's got a ton of great lines from the show. Tons.

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Where did ANYONE say that they would prohibit the sale of a gun without due process ?

 

If you support these lists and not allowing people on them to acquire a firearm, then you are, in fact, saying you would prohibit a gun sale without due process.

 

Let the great and powerful Obama have a live debate with the NRA that is not ran by liberal puppets in PBS.

Obama could even be given a teleprompter to help him think.

 

Just to clear the air, you're OK with ISIL sympathizers owning firearms in the United States of America, but you're not OK with a Christian baker baking cakes for gay folks?

What the (*)(*)(*)(*) has this country come to?

 

Being placed on this list does not require due process.

People placed on these lists aren't made aware they are placed on the list, are not informed of any charges against them, and have no legal means to get off said list.

Senators have ended up on the "no fly" lists and had difficulty getting off them for christs sake.

You want people on the list to lose access to the Bill of Rights.

Ergo, you support the loss of rights based on an Unconstitutional process.

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One of those is legal, one of those is not.

Would you like the local manager of the elite team of TSA professionals to make the decision on who is or is not a terrorist, or would you prefer a judge and the right to have a lawyer involved?

 

Where did anyone say that "these lists" would exclude due process ?

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Obama never said he would use the no-fly list ? Nor did I !

 

I guess this means we don't need a warrant to listen to his phone calls, eh?

 

Those lists already exclude due process. You support them. Therefore, you support rights being taken away without due process.

 

you just make things up as you go along don't you ? I don't support the no-fly list.

Nor do I support it to take away guns, and neither does Obama.

The bubble must be a fun place cause your in it way to much !