Obama: No religion is responsible for terrorism

He's not a Muslim. He's just a typical secular leftist. He hates Christians and Christianity because that's what leftists do. And he only sides with Muslims because, again, that's what leftists do. Make no mistake, if America were an Islamic nation, he'd be defending the other side. Because.... all in together now..... that's what leftists do.

 

I believe he is a Muslim. But that argument will get us nowhere so let's move along.

 

Uh, Iriemon is a common deceiver. Don't take anything he says at face value even with substantiation.

Read this to see the other side of the matter of Jews in Spain which he doesn't want revealed.

The Dhimmi Tube
by Bill Warner | posted in: Newsletter | 0

Islam is a political, cultural, and religious system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated.

There they were on one of the “intelligent” TV channels, extolling the wonders of Moorish Spain, Andalusia, an Islamic Golden Age. The Dark Age Europeans were hillbillies living in huts with dirt floors and here were the cultured, tolerant, multicultural Muslims showing the kafirs how a civilized man lived. The Golden Age was a wonderful, glorious time that the bigoted Christians ruined. They fought and died for 700 years to evict the peaceful, tolerant, brilliant Muslims.

Oddly enough, there were a few facts that were not mentioned by the dhimmi scholars. There was no mention of the 1,000 blond Christian virgins shipped to Africa to serve as sex slaves for Moorish Muslims. There was no mention of the imam’s call to prayer atop a mountain of Christian knights’ heads. There was no mention of the Islamic riots that killed thousands of Jews in Cordoba and Granada.

Islamic Spain was jihad and dhimmitude. That meant yearly raids on the neighboring bloody borders of Islam. What were the peaceful, tolerant Muslims doing? The usual jihad–killing, raping and stealing from the intolerant Christians.

But think about it. If Islam is such a brilliant intellectual culture, why didn’t North Africa have a Golden Age either before or after Andalusia? The Golden Ages of Islam always depend on the dhimmi scholars, the Christians and Jews. There is no such thing as a pure Islamic Golden Age. And as more of the Christians and Jews disappear into Islam, the Golden Age becomes a black hole. There has never been a Nobel prize in the sciences won with work done inside of an Islamic country. There are only eight Islamic scientists who won a scientific Nobel prize and all eight had kafir partners. (Tiny Scotland has won 32 scientific Nobel prizes.)

The dhimmi TV scholars did mention the word dhimmi and said it meant “protection”. They made dhimmi sound like your Daddy had wrapped his big, strong, loving arms around you. Yes, dhimmi means protection, but in the same way the Mafia means “protection”. A dhimmi Christian or Jew had to wear special clothing with a patch on it. The churches could not be higher than the mosques. All mosques were built on destroyed churches. A dhimmi could not testify in court against a Muslim. All of these terms are put forth in the Treaty of Umar. And for the privilege of being a dhimmi, they got to pay a special tax, called the jizya.

It was a Golden Age built on slavery, jihad, ethical dualism, submission and dhimmitude. Why is that Golden?

Where did this lie about the Golden Age come from? The source of the propaganda is well documented–Jewish scholars and European secularists, like Voltaire–created the Andalusian Golden Age. Why? Both had the same reason–it was good propaganda against the Catholic Church. Well, the Catholic Church is fast disappearing in Europe, but the Golden Age will never die. You know it is real, you saw it on TV.

Now to give credit where credit is due, there were many Jewish elites who prospered at times in Islamic Spain. But their life was characterized by “extremes of creativity and humiliation”. The shame of the Jewish love of the Islamic Golden Age is that Jews allied themselves with the oppressor who made both Christians and Jews dhimmis. [Andrew Bostom’s wonderful The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism brilliantly lays out Jewish dhimmitude, to be released at the end of the year.]

A last thought. What if the Christians had not thrown Islam out? We have the easy answer, look to Turkey. Spain today, would be 99.7% Islamic. And Islamic tolerance has only one result–100% Islam.

http://www.politicalislam.com/the-dhimmi-tube/

 

It will likely get us to identify the real root of the problem, the Islamic texts, and I'm not completely sure that you understand what the Islamic texts actually say.

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Thank you religion for again, yet again, yes again, starting another deadly war.

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The problem is that Muslims and liberals think that Mohammad was a nice guy.

 

Religion is like a good herb or a fine bottle of spirits. It is the misuse of the stuff or the wrong stuff in the hands of the irresponsible who give it a bad name.

Why indict the other religions which have gotten their acts together?

You are trying to be an equal opportunity religion basher?

Pfft.

State the truth and the facts.

Islam is the one which has the problem.

And FYI, it's not so much a RELIGION problem. Islam the religion concerns itself with Muslims, almost primarily.

Islam the Political System & Ideology concerns itself with Kafirs and Apostate Muslims (those who have left Islam as well as those who aren't Muslim enough)

The problem is that Muslims and liberals think that Mohammad was a nice guy.

Then we all will just have to show them this.


Tears of Jihad
by Bill Warner | posted in: Newsletter | 62

These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

120 million Africans


Christians

The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

60 million Christians


Hindus

Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”

80 million Hindus


Buddhists

Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam) everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]

10 million Buddhists


Jews

Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.

http://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/

 

Successful religions include all manner of contradictory teachings, so that religious and secular leaders alike can exploit them to manipulate people all sorts of ways, whether it's getting them to go to war or getting them to tolerate despotic rule and pay their taxes.

 

Whatever faults Islam may actually have (I don't doubt that it has many) don't negate what I've said, which was that Islam is used as a tool for certain clever to manipulate other people into killing, dying, and even blowing themselves up like kamikazes, who likewise killed themselves for the sake of their religion, and who were likewise misled and manipulated into it.

 

Why aren't they helping then? Are they ISIS sympathizers? Seems to me if a quarter of the worlds population disagreed with ISIS they could wipe ISIS out using only broomsticks by lunchtime. If they aren't sympathizers then they are the weakest quarter of the human race and should ask for help from US ground troops....immediately.

 

Killing them is only one part of the equation, the other is more challenging and involves identifying and dealing with the roots of radical Islam. But if you refuse to even associate Islamic teachings with the radicals guided by it, no way we can wage an effective campaign to stop the Islamic radicalization movement, no way in hell.

 

Jews prospered in Spain under Islamic rule, putting the lie to Pregnar's claim that "Muslims have annihilated every Kafir civilization and culture they have inhabited"

It was when the Christians took control that the Jews in Spain were virtually wiped out, forced to convert or massacred.

 

Thanks for the clarification.



PK

 

For the record.


Read this to see the other side of the matter of Jews in Spain which Iriemon doesn't want revealed.


The Dhimmi Tube

by Bill Warner | posted in: Newsletter | 0

Islam is a political, cultural, and religious system. Only the political system is of interest to kafirs (non-Muslims) since it determines how we are defined and treated.

There they were on one of the “intelligent” TV channels, extolling the wonders of Moorish Spain, Andalusia, an Islamic Golden Age. The Dark Age Europeans were hillbillies living in huts with dirt floors and here were the cultured, tolerant, multicultural Muslims showing the kafirs how a civilized man lived. The Golden Age was a wonderful, glorious time that the bigoted Christians ruined. They fought and died for 700 years to evict the peaceful, tolerant, brilliant Muslims.

Oddly enough, there were a few facts that were not mentioned by the dhimmi scholars. There was no mention of the 1,000 blond Christian virgins shipped to Africa to serve as sex slaves for Moorish Muslims. There was no mention of the imam’s call to prayer atop a mountain of Christian knights’ heads. There was no mention of the Islamic riots that killed thousands of Jews in Cordoba and Granada.

Islamic Spain was jihad and dhimmitude. That meant yearly raids on the neighboring bloody borders of Islam. What were the peaceful, tolerant Muslims doing? The usual jihad–killing, raping and stealing from the intolerant Christians.

But think about it. If Islam is such a brilliant intellectual culture, why didn’t North Africa have a Golden Age either before or after Andalusia? The Golden Ages of Islam always depend on the dhimmi scholars, the Christians and Jews. There is no such thing as a pure Islamic Golden Age. And as more of the Christians and Jews disappear into Islam, the Golden Age becomes a black hole. There has never been a Nobel prize in the sciences won with work done inside of an Islamic country. There are only eight Islamic scientists who won a scientific Nobel prize and all eight had kafir partners. (Tiny Scotland has won 32 scientific Nobel prizes.)

The dhimmi TV scholars did mention the word dhimmi and said it meant “protection”. They made dhimmi sound like your Daddy had wrapped his big, strong, loving arms around you. Yes, dhimmi means protection, but in the same way the Mafia means “protection”. A dhimmi Christian or Jew had to wear special clothing with a patch on it. The churches could not be higher than the mosques. All mosques were built on destroyed churches. A dhimmi could not testify in court against a Muslim. All of these terms are put forth in the Treaty of Umar. And for the privilege of being a dhimmi, they got to pay a special tax, called the jizya.

It was a Golden Age built on slavery, jihad, ethical dualism, submission and dhimmitude. Why is that Golden?

Where did this lie about the Golden Age come from? The source of the propaganda is well documented–Jewish scholars and European secularists, like Voltaire–created the Andalusian Golden Age. Why? Both had the same reason–it was good propaganda against the Catholic Church. Well, the Catholic Church is fast disappearing in Europe, but the Golden Age will never die. You know it is real, you saw it on TV.

Now to give credit where credit is due, there were many Jewish elites who prospered at times in Islamic Spain. But their life was characterized by “extremes of creativity and humiliation”. The shame of the Jewish love of the Islamic Golden Age is that Jews allied themselves with the oppressor who made both Christians and Jews dhimmis. [Andrew Bostom’s wonderful The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism brilliantly lays out Jewish dhimmitude, to be released at the end of the year.]

A last thought. What if the Christians had not thrown Islam out? We have the easy answer, look to Turkey. Spain today, would be 99.7% Islamic. And Islamic tolerance has only one result–100% Islam.

http://www.politicalislam.com/the-dhimmi-tube/

 

But Christianity in general did not support the inquisition. It was the Catholics, and it was one of the reasons for the Protestant movement.

And while not all Muslims support terrorism, many of them shares the religious ideals of terrorists. A majority of Muslims in Saudi Arabia, for example, believe that a husband has the right to behead his wife for disobedience.

 

"Terrible deeds that were justified in the name of Christ" was his quote.

Sadly the dumbass does not realize the Christian Crusades were not started in the name of Christ, they were started to stop the Muslim Crusades and to regain the holy land the Muslims slaughtered their way too. So he is stupid for saying what he said and he is ignorant of history, but for some reason he just HAD to try and include Christianity when he is supposed to be addressing the actual problem.

 

Except he didn't. Remember the prayer breakfast when he tried to compare ISIS with the Crusades? Obama talks out of both sides of his Kenyan mouth.

 

Then he is very wrong considering the Christian Crusades were out of self defense because Islam was wreaking havoc on Christians and Jews.

So he is still an idiot.

 

Muslims controlled Spain for several hundred years. During that time, the Jews in Spain prospered and it became one of the largest populations of Jews.

Then the Christians took over. Then Spain became 99.7% Christian. And virtually no Jews survived. Or Muslims for that matter. The Inquisition made sure of that.

 

Yea, Obama was using the crusades as an example of where horrible things were done in the name of a religion, but that those horrible things don't represent the religion as a whole.

 

Agreed. But that wasn't what Obama was trying to say at the time.

 

No that's exactly the only thing he was trying to say.

Anything more is just an invention by individuals responding defensively to a nonexistent attack.

 

Disagree. He compared ISIS to the Crusades. It was obvious. Please. His words.......“And lest we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. "

 

I agree, the Christian Inquisition is more like the current ISIS then the Crusades, the Crusades were more like the take over of Iraq

the latest burnings would be like the witch burnings.... crazy and stupid religious nuts do crazy and stupid things

the Crusades were not just self defense..

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Yeah the inquisition is a closer example. And yes, the Christian crusades were in fact a response for the Muslim crusades .

Sorry, but the crusades for Christians was not about spreading a religion, it was in defense of their own.

 

Yes. This is exactly what he says. Which is exactly what I said he says.

 

it was both, the crusades were more like a war, with the pope promising his side whoever fought for the church in the name of Christ would have all their sins forgiven....

we took over Iraq, ISIS took it back... the give and take of war.... IE much like the Crusades

but yes, when I think of a comparison it's the inquisition as the better match, because of there horrible treatment of those they kill and the fear they try to spread to protect their beliefs


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