Obama says Vietnam was a misunderstanding, >>mod edit<<

Not to mention they had the balls to call the Khmer Rouge on their (*)(*)(*)(*) and toppled one of the most brutal, genocidal dictatorships in history. Even with China breathing down their necks telling them not to do it.

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Not to mention they had the balls to call the Khmer Rouge on their (*)(*)(*)(*) and toppled one of the most brutal, genocidal dictatorships in history. Even with China breathing down their necks telling them not to do it.

 

You want facts? Here's one; America decided that supporting a genocidist was a good idea, because the hated Vietnamese invaded Cambodia and installed a Vietnam-friendly government there. The good old USA, that morally upstanding bastion of democracy and human rights, financed Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. I doubt they taught you that.

 

You're dreaming.

The communists don't have to like each other to work toward the same ends.

Ho Chi Minh studied at the feet of the Marxists in Moscow and was one of them.

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We are capable of picking the lessor of two evils as we did during WWII when we helped Stalin in his war against Hitler.

 

You're so literal minded that it is almost impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you.

It is your side that is claiming that Ho was some sort of a half-assed spiritual brother of America before - as libs tell the story - before we stabbed him in the back.

 

Yep. It's true. Ho Ho Ho was merely following in OUR forefathers footsteps. LoL! But the real misunderstand was on the part of the American people to the effect that we had any business there in the first place - and then believing Lyndon Johnson's "Gulf of Tonkin Incident" bs in order to justify the needless war's escalation. Yep - there was some misunderstanding alright!

 

It's common knowledge that Ho Chi Minh agreed with the concept of the US Constitution.

The entire Vietnam situation goes back to the days of WWII when the Japanese took over the entire region from the French who colonized indochina years prior. During WW II the US met with Ho Chi Minh and even supplied his troops with weapons and training.

It was only after WWII ended and the French demanded control over indochina is when Soviet and Chinese influences caused a change in poltical position. The US originally wanted Indochina to be free to determine their future, but the French were able to convince allied leaders at the Potsdamn Conference to give them control over indochina and things went downhill from there.

Fox producers need to read up on history and stop injecting opinions into the news.

 

No, he's right. The war in Vietnam was fueled by fear of Communism, which stemmed from the cold war. The South Vietnamese government we supported was not a democracy, either.

 

They would have to abandon their entire business model to do either!!!!

(note that I did NOT say ideological stance, I said business model. They don't give a damm about ideology. They, like Limbaugh, know that there's a fortune to be made pandering to all the Archie Bunkers out there in Angry White Man land. So that's what they do, and call it "news".)

 

It is anecdotal evidence of a sad, lack of Faith in Capitalism by US leadership at the time.

 

It was most certainly set up as a Democratic Republic, with Diem confirmed by referendum. Call it a crooked election if you will. But as I stated, our goal was to not allow Communism to establish in S Vietnam. We absolutely were nation building. Our model was definitely a representative government.

 

Well, we did stabbed him in the back. We can't really know how Ho would have turned out without China and the U S interference. But we do know that our war was a waste. Most times, when we push our will on other countries, it turned out bad, especially when our purpose was only to "one-up" the Soviet Union. We got in the habit of not caring about a country's politics and only worrying about if they were on our side.

You are trying to rewrite history. We were in the Cold War and our first purpose was to check communism, no matter what the country had as a government. We would take any corrupted government over letting it go communist. Our purpose during the Cold War was not to create democracies. It was to keep a country from going communist..

 

Yeah, so we assassinated Diem and put in our guy. Yeah, real democracy. lol.

 

Who died and willed the country to Ho Chi Minh?

Half of Vietnam did not want the communist dreamland he was planning to impose on them.

 

That half of the country also didn't want the weak spined out of touch puppets we insisted on putting into power there either though. You may remember what this picture was about...

By the end of the war a lot of the South was tired of our meddling in their lives and politics, and wanted us to leave, even if that meant the north would eventually win.

 

I don't think that Buddhist monk represented all the people in Vietnam either.

Particularly Christians and capitalists who did not feed themselves by begging in the streets as he did.

 

That's an oversimplified version of things, but yeah that summons up what we did with him. He did look up to America, and in fact before he was a communist, he was fighting to free Vietnam from the French. But then we kind of supported the french and ignored the elections.

 

I could only go so many pages reading about this Ho until I cracked up. Then again, it did start with the OP:

And Deuce STILL isn't helping!

 

Ho was a communist.

He may have wanted to use the US to achieve his goal but his natural patron was Stalin.

 

If I remember correctly, having Diem taken out was one of the last things Kennedy accomplished.

Do tell. If the Vietnam War was not about us trying to impose our will upon a country far far away .............. what was it ?

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I was not posting so as to "help".

 

Wasn't that just after the McCarthy era when US leadership lost its faith in Capitalism as the best system in the world and came up with a domino fallacy masquerading as a "theory".

 

He was also fervently anti-Chinese.

What were his immortal words? "I prefer to sniff French sh!t for five years than to eat Chinese sh!t for the rest of my life."

 

totally incorrect.

Ho Chi Mihn was an avowed commie from a very early age.

you might want to look up his tenure in the USSR during the early 20's before repeating propaganda.

But, he was very much inspired by the founding documents of the US.

He was also not prepared to hand is country back to the chinese - commie or not.

I am amazed at how ignorant some americans are of their own recent history. American involvement in Viet Nam wasn't about "bringing democracy" to the place, it was an attempt to intervene in the commie cold war domino strategy. It was all about stopping the commies, not about democracy, which is plain to see by their corrupt support of truly monumentally corrupt SVN leader after SVN leader.

 

A few years ago I was in a Da Nang café waiting for a train to Ho Chi Minh City. A Vietnamese guy asked me where I'm from and could he join me. He was probably in his early 50s or so, spoke good English, long hair in a pony tail and goatee. We had a couple of beers and the topic of the Vietnam War came up.

When he was 16, ARVN came into his village, an officer put a gun to his head and told him he is now fighting for South Vietnam. After a couple of months, he was captured by the Viet Cong. The Viet Cong normally don't take prisoners but (the reason he gave me) it was towards the end of the war and the VC were running out of combatants, also possibly his young age.

He lasted nine months with the VC until the end of the war. He brought up something quite interesting. In Vietnamese history the Chinese occupation is mentioned in detail, so are the French years and the Japanese occupation, but there is hardly a mention of the war with America.

 

I think some of you have very short or selective memories.

There are worse things than dying, like oh I do not know maybe slavery. Jefferson was not a saint everyone.

During the war of Independence Jefferson fought and was a supporter of the independent movement, which means he condoned the bloodshed for the country and its actions in throwing off the colonial leaders control, as well as any traitors who happened into the independents grasp.

Then after Independence the move westward and the conquering of a peoples and the pillaging and pundering of their lands and traditions and spirit all came from the documents signed at the First Congress.

Any person who thinks Jefferson or Hancock or Washington did not kill or condone killing for their cauues are seriously in need of some mental assistance.

Ho Chi Min was fighting to form a country. He had three superior forces, first the Japanese, then the French and finally the US and so as horrific and inhumane as you may call his reign, he was no worse or better than Jefferson and I can see how the US documents he sighted influenced his struggle and his actions.

How many native americans and sldiers were killed druing the 100 years after independence in your country?

I am not saying HCM was a saint in fact I think he was a inhumane, evil person, but he is not alone.

 

I believe we should include States' rights in our exportation of democracy product.