Obama Social Security Number To Become Issue In 2012 Race

Of course it isn't. Around 150 million American voters voted in 2008, and none of them were concerned about eligiblity.

Americans knew that both Obama and McCain were eligible.

You believe that American voters are either stupid or corrupt.

I believe American voters, and the Electoral College, and Congress and Chief Justice Roberts all believe the same as we were all taught- that anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen, and therefore Obama was eligible.

You would like it so much, you haven't spent a moment asking any of them to produce something as simple as a birth certificate.

I don't care whether the other candidates produce their birth certificates or not. I am just pointing out the obvious and clear hypocrisy of Birthers who cry 'eligiblity, eligiblity' while not asking any other candidate other than Barack Obama to produce anything at all.

Of course he has. Barack Obama has provided to the American voters legal evidence of his eligiblity, confirmed by the State of his Birth, he was confirmed by Congress, sworn in by Chief Justice Roberts- he has met every legal obligation- and every moral obligation to establish his eligibility- and has done more to establish that than any other President.

Why not?

Tell me what is preventing you from asking Rick Perry and Mitt Romney and Michelle Bachmann to prove they are eligible now? If you really cared eligiblity wouldn't you want to know before the nomination process was completed that Rick was really born in Mexico or that that Michelle was born in Canada?

Face it- Birthers don't ask because Birthers don't care.

Ah leading from the rear! I can see your passion for eligiblity is so strong, you want me to verify the RNC candidates are eligible. I expect from them the same proof that Bush and Clinton and Bush Sr. and Reagan etc provided to voters- simply their word. I ask for different standards like Birthers do.

Frankly that doesn't even make sense.

Let us compare:
Obama has provided us with his birth certificate, which has been confirmed by the state of Hawaii.
Bush provided us with....no birth certificate, no confirmation by the state of his birth....nada
Clinton...the same as Bush- nothing
Bush Sr.....the same as Bush Jr.- nothing.

So to say that he is the only person who has never presented any of his eligibility background is kind of a Bizarro world statement- Obama is the only one who has. And Birthers never cared.

Oh I just love it when Birthers bring up Eisenhower. Nothing shows the fallacy of their argument much more.

Who did Eisenhower show his birth certificate to? Why no one. Not the American voters, not the RNC- there is no record he ever showed his Birth certificate to anyone. And no one cared.

When was Eisenhower's original birth certificate produced? Over 50 years after his birth.

Was Eisenhower's birth certificate signed by his doctor or nurses? Nope- it was issued based upon the word of his brother- who was 3 years old when he was born. Can you even imagine what Birthers would say if Obama's birth certificate looked like this? Of course we can- because until April 2011, Birthers claimed that his original birth certificate would look like a home birth, which Birthers claimed couldn't be trusted. But Birthers embrace with no question Eisenhower's birth certificate, produced 50 years after the fact on the word of his brother, who probably didn't even see the home birth.

Birthers and Eisenhower- I just love it.

 

maybe for you, you can only speak for yourself. why was the application even mailed in connecticut, if that's your new story now. LOL

 

I speaking about the Birthers- yourself included. As I said:


This has never been a valid issue of eligiblity. It hasn't even been about eligibility.

There is only one candidate you have asked for proof eligiblity for- and he has provided it. None of the other candidates have been asked for, nor provided any evidence that they are eligible. Rick Perry has even pointed out that he hasn't shown anyone his birth certificate.

This has never been about eligibility. This has always been about Obama.

It will go away when the Birthers stop spreading rumors, slander and lies.

What the 'application' has to do with eligiblity I have no idea. But I will point out again- this is just another example of a Birther concerned only with Obama- and not with eligiblity.

Birthers have never cared about eligiblity- they were anti-Obama first, and searching for cause to further their agenda.

Which is why Birthers don't care about the eligibility of any other candidate.

 

Margot I agree. Those are all good definitions of "citizen" but not NBC.

 

LOLOL. they are very clear definitions of Natural born citizens..

These boneheads don't know that there are ONLY two types of citizens.

The failure of American education embarrassed me all the time... but then I was born to privilege .. Can you imagine the level of stupidity we are dealing with?

 

How many types of citizen are there?

 

Where do you come up with this drivel? Your knee jerk reaction has no source and no basis. You just moved to the head of the ineptocrat class.

 

You seem sincere in your question. I am not saying Eisenhower didn't have a passport. I have no idea whether he did or not. IF I were to guess I would say he had one. And I have no information about what he presented to the military to substaniate his birth records. I am saying that he didn't have a birth certificate until just before he ran for President. And because of that he intentionally got one from his county of birth and had it certified by that county clerk. Easy to verify. Google it.

 

Only a Birther would call the facts 'drivel'.

You provided no source for your Eisenhower claim, you provide no source for your rebutal...you really haven't provided anything at all have you?

You want to claim otherwise, show us who Eisenhower provided his birth certificate to?

Who has seen Eisenhower's birth certificate?
How was it authenticated?

And please show us how any Birther would have accepted Eisenhower's BC if it had had the name of Barack Obama on it.

 

Ineptocrats are the best comedians. Which comic book do you get your info from. So Jeff please start refuting with facts and not opinions because your opinions make no sense whatsoever.
It really really really sucks to be an ineptocrat.

 

Just because everytime a Birther raises the Eisenhower issue another truth fairy loses its wings, I had to take the time to present actual sources.

Let us go first of all to the original news article- original source materials are so unkind to Birthers:
http://news.google.com/newspapers/p/deseret_news?nid=Aul-kAQHnToC&dat=19521002&printsec=frontpage

From the Deseret News, 10/2/1952.

A certificate recording Dwight Eisenhower's birth in Denison on Oct. 14, 1890, was filed Wednesday in the Grayson County Clerk's office.

Nobody had bothered to make out a certificate when the Republican candidate was born in a house at the corner of Lamar and Day streets in nearby Denison.

A copy of the certificate filed Wednesday was mailed to Mrs. Eisenhower in Denver. Eisenhower's elder brother, Arthur signed the certificate.

Hmm anything there about Eisenhower requesting it?
Anything about anyone seeing the original?
Anything about anyone requiring the certificate before Eisenhower could be President?

Mind you- this is the story cited by Sonoran News.

What about additional information?

http://turningthescale.net/?p=372
From the President Eisenhower Presidential Library- Herb Pankratz:

You are correct that Dwight D. Eisenhower did not have an official birth certificate until Oct. 1, 1952. When Eisenhower supporters in Texas learned he didn’t have a birth certificate on file in Texas, they decided to obtain a delayed birth certificate for him. Mr. Lonnie F. Roberts of Denison, Texas obtained birth information from Mamie Eisenhower and got Ike’s older brother, Arthur, a banker in Kansas City, to sign the necessary documents. We have a copy of this certificate in our files.

The real push to get this certificate made and approved appears to come from Mr. Roberts. Eisenhower’s campaign headquarters cooperated with him but they didn’t originate or push the effort. Mr. Roberts’ letters give the impression he thought Eisenhower needed a birth certificate to prove he was really an American-born citizen. He may also have wanted to make sure people knew that Eisenhower was born in Denison, Texas.

Two newspaper clippings we have from early October 1952 indicate that a New York law firm had written to the Denison City Secretary and asked if Dwight Eisenhower had a registered birth certificate. He replied that there was none on file. A local newspaper then ran a story declaring that Ike’s birth had never been recorded. Mr. Roberts than got involved and sent the letter of Sept. 3 to Mamie Eisenhower in Denver. She forwarded it to Ike’s campaign headquarters at the Commodore Hotel in NYC.

I have not seen any documents from the 1952 campaign suggesting Eisenhower was not an American-born citizen. However, the far-right did put out some nasty ads and newsletters attacking the general. Some claimed he was a Jew or a Communist sympathizer. These materials and their scrambled issues did not make it into the mainstream media.


Can you just imagine if Obama's birth certificate looked like Eisenhower's?

Generated just before the Presidential election, signed by his brother- who was 4 years old at the time- no original shown to anyone, voters never saw any copy of it....

And voters didn't have any problem with any of that.

I love it when Birthers refer to Eisenhower.

 

I notice you couldn't refute a single thing I said.

How could you?

I presented the facts.

You have presented nothing but typical birther propaganda.

You have nothing but speculation, innuendo and lies.

Which is just one more big reason why it sucks to be a Birther.

Oh and enjoy my Eisenhower facts- as opposed to your unsubstantiated claims- in the post preceeding this one.

 

Since you seem to have a hard time with long posts and too many facts at once- just address this:

Let us compare:
Obama has provided us with his birth certificate, which has been confirmed by the state of Hawaii.
Bush provided us with....no birth certificate, no confirmation by the state of his birth....nada
Clinton...the same as Bush- nothing
Bush Sr.....the same as Bush Jr.- nothing.

So to say that he is the only person who has never presented any of his eligibility background is kind of a Bizarro world statement- Obama is the only one who has. And Birthers never cared.

Just show me any proof that Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan ever provided their birth certificates to well anyone.

Are you capable of standing up to your claims or is it all Birther Bluster?

 

were any of the birth certificate's certified... the virtual phony online isn't... cause it's a fake..

 

yep. both copies presented were certified

 

This is an example of denial.

This is an example of a fact:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

"On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth."


["I]On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama‟s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.[/I]"

 

i'd like to see them. why can't an expert look even at the "copies". where are they now, that press conference was too quick. a real hustle, savannah guthrie, what a joke...

 

the issuing authority certified them. there is no higher authority that exists that can render an opinion.

 

The Obama records which have not been released include; Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules(said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license, Adoption records and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZky20YkhS4&feature=player_embedded#!

 

Oh certainly- those White House reporters just aren't as sharp as Birthers!

What 'expert' has asked to see the originals?

Have you asked the Obama campaign to see them? Have they refused any legitimate news agency from being able to see them.

I haven't seen anything of the sort.

 

Please, please keep reminding everyone that Birthers are demanding Obama's kindergarten records.

Pretty please.

 

blah blah blah blah.

Here is what Birthers do.

They start at a
a- Obama hasn't shown his birth certificate
We provide evidence that he has
birthers then to go
b- The birth certificate isn't real
We provide evidence that it is
birthers then go to
c- He is not a natural born citizen
we provide evidence showing that he is
Birthers then move down the alphabet...and when they get to the end of the list...they just start over again at A, as if they have never had it disproven before.

Just the same cycles of innuendo, speculation and lies, over and over. Birthers never run out of them because they just repeat them over and over.

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1bc_1320155311

 

this is true.. he hasn't. he must. and resolve the ss # problems.