Obama Supporters

That's because Obama didn't put this nation 16 trillion dollars in debt.

 

Here you go, from Wikipedia. Have fun:

 

Seriously? You're going to present the entire U.S. debt as being Obama's fault? Are you being dishonest or is this real ignorance of how the debt works and how it's been accrued?

This is from http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

Bolded parts represent debt that occurred under Obama's administration, even though that spending was still authorized by Congress and not Obama. The debt has increased about 4-5 trillion under Obama, part of which was from programs initiated and authorized while Bush was still in office.

Have fun.

 

Except that is not true. Debt would have risen based on previous borrowing as it accumulates. In 2009 the budget, which was passed and signed under the previous administration was over $1 trillion and tax revenue dropped due the collapse of the economy, a collapse that could have been averted if the previous Congress and President (meaning both parties) had found a way to compromise.

The first part is not true. The right magnified the love of the President when he was a candidate and ignored those who were saying stark things about him in favor of Senator Clinton. You see they didn't want Sen. Clinton to win either. Led by an ignorant Rush Limbaugh who couldn't help himself to let his racism flow, and of course a right wing noise machine that used any criticism of Obama as a tool to attack all liberals. I was there, being critical of Obama at the time. We saw how it was being used to attack our party. Then came the birther and racist nonsense that galvanized the party with him.

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Like Sarah Palin???? The difference he knew things.

Again untrue.

Why?

 

Do you even comprehend what you are posting? You think it's just fine and dandy that Obama has sunk this nation massively deeper in debt while claiming to be the 'economy fixer' president and this free pass for Obama is based on something as childish as . . . "the other side did it too!" or [just as intellectually dishonest] . . . "the other side started it!"? So leftwingers are very nearly universally immature regarding the running of this nation, and they utterly cannot learn from the previous party's mistakes?

 

You're talking about comprehension and maturity when you just tried to flat out lie. I didn't say anything about it being okay because "the other side did it too" or "the other side started it", I called you out on what, at first, I thought was an erroneous statement about Obama's role in the debt but what I now realize was just 100% dishonesty on your part. Someone being 100% dishonest really has no right, and more importantly no credibility, to condemn others for doing the same. If you want people to take you seriously, don't make up your statistics in the age of the internet where it took me a whole minute to find the correct stats.

 

You can't tax your way out of [when Obama took over] 8 trillion dollars of debt just like you can't tax your way out of [under Obama] 16 trillion dollars of debt. There aren't that many wealthy people for the Democrats to skin alive. Obama simply didn't care about the ballooning national debt, no more than Bush cared.

The issues being that the mainstream media shut its mouth about the massively expanding debt the instant Obama took the oath of office and so people forgot to be angry about it. Except for the Tea Party Movement . . . you know the movement that the Left declared EVIL?

Nobody magnified the worshipful attitude of the mainstream media towards Obama nor the foam-at-the-brian-pan ARDENT Obama supporters. Chris Matthews will forever be immortalized for his tingle up the legs announcement and the pant's wetting, orgasmic excitement of Obama supporters every time Obama spoke in 2008 will not be forgotten either. As for Hillary Clinton, the moment that it became apparent that the primary was going to be a contest between she and Obama the mainstream media immediately began spinning and interpreting and covering for Obama, even to the point of painting Hillary and Bill as racists. Try though the Left struggles so to do, the nation as a whole will never forget that about the 2008 election either.

You dare to raise the issue of Sarah Palin who was immediately and non-stopped attacked with EVERYTHING the Left had via their tamed mainstream media? That takes a massive amount of gall.

 

No you decided that you did not like the Wikipedia quote and so you went and found something that you figured turned left into right and up into down. But sixteen trillion dollars doesn't become something else just because Obama supporters want to spin and cover for their president. It's his watch and he declared [paraphrasing] "Give me the job America and I will fix these problems!" Then after getting elected -- twice -- he went and played golf instead.

From 2000 to 2008 the Right had Shrub as their essentially worthless president and from 2008 through 2016 the Left has to swallow the fact that their Anointed One is giving Bush some real competition to end up with the title "Worst President of the Last Fifty Years."

 

Yeah, that something was called the actual statistics from the U.S. Treasury website.

Sixteen trillion dollars in debt doesn't become ALL Obama's just because you don't like the man, and especially when only about 25% of that debt has actually accrued during a time when the Obama administration has had limited involvement with the finances of this country, something which is mostly handled by Congress in the first place.

This has absolutely nothing to do with your complete dishonesty about Obama's role in the debt. I'm not even sure why you're bringing up Bush since, according to you, Obama is the ONLY one responsible for the entire U.S. debt.

 

That's okay, I understand the Left's obsession with absolving Obama for any possible blame for anything. But then why should they be any different from their "Nothing is EVER my fault" glorious leader?

 

Nobody is absolving Obama of blame for anything that he is actually responsible for. If you want to attack him for the debt that he's accrued during his administration, that's fine. But you're not doing that, you're attacking him for the debt accrued under EVERY administration.

 

According to the Angry White Guys who fixate over their bête noire as an illegitimate, foreign-born, CEO-enriching communistic, socialistic, madrasa-indoctrinated disciple of an ex-Marine Christian minister who consorted with a 60s radical at age 6, he is responsible for all evil in the world - except, of course, for global warming itself - merely for participating in the worldwide meteorologists' preposterous conspiracy that claims that spewing millions of tonnes of offal into the atmosphere effects the atmosphere.

Credit McCain for the 'wacko bird' epithet, and imagine what he and other GOP relative 'normals' must be calling them behind closed doors.

 

Gosh that is bad news, how do you suppose we got into this fix? Gee whiz, I hope it didn't have anything to do with the nation enduring the worst economic crisis since the great depression. Golly, didn't that happen during the Bush Administration? So hard to remember some times.

 

Do people like you have ANY regard for the truth? Obviously not!

If conservatives would simply keep their mouths shut until they knew what they were talking about they would never be heard from again!

 

I think a lot of people just say this because it's the thing to say. And it's mostly because of subconscious partisan reasons. Obama hasn't really done much that could be considered better than anything that Bush did.

 

Bush severely damaged the economy of this country, through both unfunded mandate, warfare, and tax policy. He made a mockery of what was once a positive impression throughout the world, and created the atmosphere that allowed the Republican party to self destruct.


What a wonderful asset he was to us.

 

Pssst . . . I know that this will come as a monumental shock to you but -- listen closely now -- the deficit is NOT the same thing as the national debt. Look-it-up.

 

For some reason members of the Left seem confused about the differences between fixing something that's gone terribly wrong and making it far, far worse. Sinking this nation 16 trillion dollars in debt . . . is making an already bad problem far, far worse. Didn't the Left in it's wide full open worship of Obama back in 2008 swear that he would make things far, far better? Perhaps they just don't know the difference.

 

I seem to remember all the wise pundits at the time predicting that everyone should **** their pants because the global economy was about to collapse. Now all the same wise pundits think they could have done a better job fixing the economy they helped destroy. There seems to be a little discrepancy between their rhetoric and reality. Or perhaps they just don't know the difference.

 

Pretty much, very nearly anybody could have done a better job with the national economy in nearly five years than Obama has done . . . or at least NOT sink this nation 16 trillion dollars in debt. Oh and it's calculated to be around 20 trillion by the time the Left's Political Messiah finally leaves office and this nation in an economic ruin.

 

Oh how I wish I had been born 150 years earlier. It would have been so nice to have met you. Maybe in Richmond.

 

It's always all fun and games . . . until the bill comes due.

 

Two statements by the left -- You guys crack me up, By the way who was running congress when the "worst economic crisis" happened?

 

Do I correctly understand your meaning, Black Pearl. Ref. video, please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuwc3QjIN7o



Moi

 

Gatewood, I’ve read enough of your comments to get the sense that your educated, articulate (when you want to be) and informed (to a point).

You even seem rational & neutral (in certain instances).

So I’d like to propose a question to you for my own sanity check:

Would you say it’s a fair assessment that the right has sabotaged, demonized, misrepresented, back flipped, created phantoms where there none, and just in general doubled down on refusing to work with this president on any type of meaningful legislation since day one?

Before you answer, I‘ll be the first to admit that the guy doesn’t walk on water, I’ll admit that there was a love affair from the media a few years ago, and I’ll even admit that he hasn’t learned the art of smooshing his opponents as well as Clinton or Reagan did.

What I am not prepared to admit to is that he’s a complete buffoon in over his head with nothing but horrible socialistic ideas trying to turn the country into France.

I haven’t turned a blind eye to all that’s happened these past five years regarding the president, but I sure as hell can see what the right’s been up to since day one which amounts to nothing more than Lucy snatching the football away from Linus every time he goes to kick it.