Obamacare cost to be 20% less than forecast, budget office says

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-obamacare-cost-20150126-story.html

Not bad for the first year. Costs lower than expected. Only 8% of Americans under 65 still uninsured. And we're only now starting to hand out penalties to that 8% so I imagine it'll come down even more.

I still think universal healthcare would be better but Obamacare seems to be accomplishing its goals.

 

I'm sure we'll be hearing very soon just how bad this really is for the country, but one thing is quite clear - if Republicans have any hope of killing the ACA, they'll have to come up with something better that serves more people more economically. If they do, I'll be the first one to stand up and cheer, but since about the only thing they've managed to do for years is to screw over Mr. & Mrs. Average American, I just don't see that happening.

 

I said that a while ago before Nov 2014.

46 Million Uninsured: A Look Behind The Number

Ya gotta love the predictions that NEVER come true. There were 46 - 48 million uninsured with 8 to 12 million on Medicaid and Obama Care. That leaves 34 million uninsured if you believe the 12 million number. Ya'all probably shouldn't keep posting on it as you're likely to get your noses rubbed in it later.

 

By 2017, they will be nearly 50% HIGHER than we were lied to about.

 

And Repbulicans STILL can't come up with a unified "replacement" plan....just various "ideas we're kicking around, but nothing definite."

while still promising their Base they're going for "full repeal".....and throw millions off their insurance.

 

So since a majority still disapprove of it I suppose you guys are killing over half the nation idiots then?

That will go far for you in 2016.

 

Do you thinks lies heal people or something?

 

2 more years of stats like this past one and Obamacare will defend itself.

Obama hasn't run away from Obamacare yet and it hasn't hurt him. And polls show the public is split pretty evenly on support for it. Obamacare is not the wedge issue republicans were hoping for.

 

You can throw me off mine, it near worthless.

 

If Obamacare is so terrible, it should be easy to articulate a plan that is much better. Why haven't the Republicans even tried?

 

Honestly, after all the misleading info that's been released by the government, I don't know why anyone would take it at face value. And one thing I'm pretty sure of is the LA Times didn't do any independent number crunching before going to print with this report. So, I'd be cautious of just swallowing it as the final word.

 

To all the people who couldn't get insurance before because of a preexisting condition... the coverage is invaluable. But your willingness to throw them off their healthcare because you're not satisfied with your own is noted.

 

Obamacare has not been fully implemented..........claiming success on a partial measure is frivolous at best.......

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Yes

Insurance is risk management...........the government took that away......

They are just a pay source now......

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GOPHealthPlan_061709.pdf

http://www.speaker.gov/sites/speake...f_Republican_Alternative_Health_Care_plan.pdf

They have. Obama Care has to screw over a lot more people before Democrats will come around and listen.

Abandon Ship: Another Democratic Senator Admits Obamacare Was a Mistake

Time is on the Republican's side. Folks without an Obama Care policy have no idea how vastly different it is compared to insurance policies they have from the very same company. I actually have an Obama Care "Silver" plan. I live in a Rural area with a small/medium size hospital and 3 medical groups, 1 large and 2 small. The hospital accepts my policy but the 1 large medical group that staffs the hospital doctors does NOT. That means if I'm hospitalized my policy coverages with deductible and yearly out of pocket applies to the Hospital's bill but not the Doctors who would be out of network and covered only 30%. Since the Doctors and Facilities in the area accept Obama Care policies from just 2 providers, the networks are very important. Provider #1's insurance covers a number of doctors in my area, but if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. Provider #2's insurance covers a number of facilities in my area so if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such they are available locally, however if I want to see a doctor I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. Prior to this policy I was part of my Counties Medically Indigent Plan. To join, I had to provide documentation of my assets, income and liabilities and a percentage was established. As long as you went to a County Facility or contracted facility you paid the percentage, mine was about 15%. With the Obama Crap plan, I have to make a 90 mile round trip for a stinking X-Ray. Since I live in the mountains, the road to the flat lands isn't always available so if I need an X-Ray I'm just (*)(*)(*)(*) outta luck and have to pay the 70%. AND the insurance provider raise my premium 33% as of Jan 1st 2015. The only plus I've experienced is the prescription coverage, I pay $5 for everything. However, since all my meds are generic I paid $9 at Wal-Mart without insurance.

 

You would be singing a different tune if you had a pre-existing condition and were left out in the cold to fend for yourself.

I don't think it should have anything to do with risk management. Healthcare should be a basic privileged of being a US citizen. It should be 100% covered by tax money. But if we can't have that then Obamacare is fine with me because it still is a way to cover people with a pre-existing condition.

 

Its fine to think that way............but insurance is no longer insurance......

So all they did was jacked the price up for everyone else.....

 

Instead of taking the uncovered and simply tailoring a health care plan just for them Obama and his ideologues threw everyone into a massive stew of cost, regulations and confusion. And it's bull (*)(*)(*)(*)!

 

It's the republican responsibility (as is every member of congress's responsibility) to solve the healthcare crisis. That crisis being that people with preexisting conditions were left to fend for themselves in the standard risk management system. People were dying because they couldn't afford medical care on their own. And those who tried to pay for it anyway wound up going bankrupt. This is an American problem and it's a problem republicans refused to even acknowledge let alone attempt to solve.

If you don't see why Americans dying because of lack of money is a problem that needs to be solved I can't help you.

 

Folks without an Obama Care policy have no idea how vastly different it is compared to insurance policies they have from the very same company. I actually have an Obama Care "Silver" plan. I live in a Rural area with a small/medium size hospital and 3 medical groups, 1 large and 2 small. The hospital accepts my policy but the 1 large medical group that staffs the hospital doctors does NOT. That means if I'm hospitalized my policy coverages with deductible and yearly out of pocket applies to the Hospital's bill but not the Doctors who would be out of network and covered only 30%. Since the Doctors and Facilities in the area accept Obama Care policies from just 2 providers, the networks are very important. Provider #1's insurance covers a number of doctors in my area, but if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. Provider #2's insurance covers a number of facilities in my area so if I need services like X-Ray, MRI and such they are available locally, however if I want to see a doctor I have to drive 45 miles down a mountain road if I don't want to pay 70% of the bill. Prior to this policy I was part of my Counties Medically Indigent Plan. To join, I had to provide documentation of my assets, income and liabilities and a percentage was established. As long as you went to a County Facility or contracted facility you paid the percentage, mine was about 15%. With the Obama Crap plan, I have to make a 90 mile round trip for a stinking X-Ray. Since I live in the mountains, the road to the flat lands isn't always available so if I need an X-Ray I'm just (*)(*)(*)(*) outta luck and have to pay the 70%. AND the insurance provider raise my premium 33% as of Jan 1st 2015. The only plus I've experienced is the prescription coverage, I pay $5 for everything. However, since all my meds are generic I paid $9 at Wal-Mart without insurance.

Can you point out how lucky I am to have an Obama Care policy?

 

Democrats tried that. It was called the public option. It was shut down completely by republicans and conservative democrats. So Obamacare got more conservative and pro business and forced everyone to be insurance customers.

 

That's all horsesh it

The number one cause of death is being born.......

You will not find a single death certificate with lack of health insurance listed as the cause of death

You once again have been Grubered

 

Do you think this is an intelligent thing to say? Of course no one puts that on a death certificate. They put the treatable disease they died from because they didn't want to burden their family with medical debt to pay for treatment.

 

Polling done on the public option found that support for the idea was high so the public would go for the idea, unlike Obama Care.

But Obama in 2008 campaigned on the idea and Obama, once in office in 2009 changed his view, magically.
The House of Representatives put a public option in their version of ACA legislation but the Senate Finance Committee stripped it out.
The House had a republican majority. How is it you claim republicans killed the public health option?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health_insurance_option

I stand by my previous post on the subject. Instead of attacking the problem only Obama Care has attacked everyone and sucked them into a black hole of regulations and added expense.

 

None of the links you provided are actual plans; they are just ideas. They don't explain how any of it will be implemented.

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It absolutely is the Republicans duty. They are in control of Congress.

None of them is proposing that we go back to a time before Obamacare, or even how we would get there.

They are in charge of the Congress, legilsation is the Republicans ONLY DUTY.