Obamacare ruled Unconstitutional

You seem confused.

We are talking about health here.

Working to ensure American citizens have access to the health care needed to reduce suffering, enable the continuation of participation in the work force and to save lives is not tyranny.

 

I know of NO single payer health care bill that has been voted on be the full US House or Senate - except for Medicare and VA. Please let me know what bill you mean.

BTW, insurance companies have always been free to set their own prices under the ACA.

 

agree, I think Obama public option is best, let the people decide

 

Whatever you say

Pity then that everyone else is getting a better outcome per health dollar

 

Pity it went over your head. Such is life.

 

The people have no moral right to decide for me about anything concerning my life. I am not a sacrificial lamb to be fed off of by the masses of asses that can’t figure out how to wipe their own noses.

 

You’re the one confused; you’re confusing your need for others to pay for your health care with my right to live free of you or the masses using the government's gun to interfere in my life.

It is not the function of government to wipe your nose. Live your own damn lives and leave mine the fk alone.

BTW: The government doesn’t work to ensure everyone has health care—it steals from those that have to give to those that don’t. Their purpose is to buy the votes of the helpless, the witless, and the useless to gain political power—empty souls love forcing others to do as they demand—it gives meaning to their rotten, dreary, empty lives. They enjoy being vampires and living off of the blood of others.

 

There is literally only one word to describe the content above!

Clueless!

 

There are plenty of providers in the healthcare industry...there are however few insurance providers, largely due to regulations from govt that don’t allow things like a national market.

 

Not a bill an amendment to the ACA.

I heard it on the radio back when congress was debating over the bill in 2010, or whenever that was. I think this is a news story on it:

Single-payer health care plan dies in Senate


While I was searching for that I came upon another amendment, this time a Republican added a single payer amendment to a bill to troll Democrats.

https://www.businessinsider.com/senate-health-care-single-payer-vote-daines-amendment-2017-7

 

For years there have been several states that allow sales of insurance across their borders.

And, there is good reason that has not made a difference.

One such reason is that insurance companies keep expenditures down by creating provider networks. They use the fact that if a provider is not part of their network, they won't see their customers. Provider networks require constant work that is specific to the state - in fact, specific to smaller regions than that. So, they pretty much have to have a local corporate presence regardless of any law that says they don't have to.

 

Your first cite shows how a single payer bill was NOT voted on in the Senate.

Your second cite was an amendment crafted by Republicans who created it in order for it to cause the main bill to fail.

You can NOT even start to suggest that was an honest attempt to create a single payer system that would work for America.

 

What do you want. My source was a radio clip from years ago. There's no way I'm going to find it.

The point is that single payer was brought up before as an amendment to the Affordable Care Act. One that was rejected.

Every time single payer is brought up as an amendment it goes down in flames. There's just not the votes for it. And that's true whether it's congress on the federal level, or California, or Vermont, ect.

 

This is not a serious point.

Republicans created an AMENDMENT that had NO CHANCE of working. They used their power to attach that amendment to a bill that they did not want to pass.

That is a time honored tactic for torpedoing a bill - it is NOT IN ANY WAY a legitimate attempt to improve our nation's healthcare system.

 

That's because it's not a "free market" under the ACA. It's an attempt at "price controls" which our experience during WWII should have taught us doesn't work.

 

Amen, brother. Amen.