Official: Trump team overruled 25 security clearance denials

Once I know the numbers of past admins, we can compare and find out if this is normal, bad, or better than average(as in fewer times done than previous admins). Until that point, it seems like it’s just something to try and “get Trump.”

Seems I can’t find those numbers for other admins. Interesting. If you can I’d love to see them.

 

Let's pretend that you care about more than the criminal code. Why should the issuance of a national security clearance to ~25 people despite national security concerns that they pose not be considered a real story?

 

Occams razor would suggest that the current number is unprecedented and that is why you do not have access to the previous numbers for other administrations.

 

Not sure who could argue with that, but I can imagine many on here will find some problem with it..

Cracks me up that people are posting essentially "What can go wrong"??

 

Hmmm, what could be concerning about giving unqualified individuals access to TS information? You're right, I can't imagine any problem here. Nothing to see. Move along.

 

...you mean Congress?

 

Why would you think that? Solely because Trump? I need more than that. I’m not letting biases get in my way of determining the magnitude of this. Once it’s compared against previous admins, then it’s rational to make a decision. Until then, it’s just chicken little.

 

I sure as hell hope that number is approaching zero for past admins.

 

“According to Ms. Newbold, these individuals had a wide range of serious disqualifying issues involving foreign influence, conflicts of interest, concerning personal conduct, financial problems, drug use, and criminal conduct,” the memo says.

That is pretty vague, and seeing how obstructionist the Democrats have been, I can see how they could abuse such a vague standard just to harass and obstruct the Trump administration, and likewise the Trump administration might justifiably ignore them. There is subjectivity in the security clearance process. Does anyone remember when there was speculation Obama wouldn't even be eligible for security clearance because of his close association with Ayers?

The mainstream media has been trying to make mountains out of molehills for Trump's entire presidency. I doubt "how many scoops of ice cream" a president ate ever made the headlines before Trump either. You can't honestly compare the media's coverage of Trump to any other President ever. It is an absolutely legitimate query to wonder how this compares to other administrations.

 

I have my doubts. Serious doubts.

 

I'm not surprised you're not aware of the Pakistani intelligence agents who worked for 30 different Democrats.

It wouldn't be talked about on anything you probably read or watch.

If I were you, I'd not take too hard a stand on this issue. Your "source" is proving to not be very reliable so far.

Might want to temper expectations based on what you think you know.

 

Umm no... If the number is similar for past admins then there's a systemic problem. If not then it's a trump problem. But you can't argue that giving that many unqualified people access to classified is no problem at all.

 

Now that was hilarious!!!!! I get to the point about the "manufacture a false narrative that the White House is reckless with our national security " I just about burst out laughing!!!!!!!!

Seriously?

This is the guy whose entire senior campaign staff met with Russian intelligence operatives for the express purpose of getting help to win a presidential election.

This is the guy who insists on meeting directly with Russians one on one and actually confiscated his translator's notes.

There was never any doubt that Jared Kushner should not have any kind of security clearance, nor should his wife.

Were Trump not President, he could never get one, as beholden as he is to Russian influence and Russians money.

 

Uh…….Just how many times have you heard the word unpredicented in the last three years???????

Shouldn't that tell you something?

Shouldn't the cult of personality that has grown around this man be seen as something that has never happened before in the United States, and a development that could well represent a true threat to democracy here (not at Trump's hand. He's not smart enough, and he has no real plan). But he is making it far easier for a real tyrant to emerge.

 

Says the people who gave access to Hillary Clinton, who said she didn't know the meaning of classified markings.

Who's saying they're unqualified? Some bureaucrat member of the resistance.

These are the same people who gave Clapper and Brennan security clearances. Tells me what I need to know about their motives.

 

Thanks.... yes, they are the same people who GAVE Clapper and Brennan security clearances... And Trump Chumps can't even rise to that low bar...

Hysterical.... Sometimes, I like when you make our arguments for us... Shows a rudimentary understanding of the garbage you seem to support...

 

I see I wrecked your argument.

You know it's some blue-haired progressive Democrat.

She's getting destroyed in her testimony.

Keep hoping for the "we got Trump now" moment, because we all know that's all this is about.

 

If Trump is behind all 25 clearances being overruled, which I personally doubt, he should get got.... I know you'll laugh (because you seem to laugh at serious situations), but that is hugely problematic to continually override security clearance denials... All it takes is one person to go over the line for the entire system to be seen as a failure. Is that the trust you want to put in this fat ass?? I guess many of us don't want to go that far.

Or can you explain the positives to overriding?? I'm all ears...

P.S. This lady has been in the office for 18 years... I won't make you do math, but that goes back to Bush Junior....

 

What can i say you are consistent.. Wrong but consistent... Tell David Brock i say hi!

 

I think I'll just sit back and watch all of the people with their chips on "Tricia Newbold" being their savior.

I've got plenty of popcorn.

Oh and by the way, it was her supervisor overriding her. But please, continue.

 

No I can’t. But I can’t argue it’s out of the norm or worse than last admins either. For all we know past admins have done it many more times and this is really no big deal, comparatively.

If it’s sytemic, it’s irrational to only point at Trump and say Trump bad.

 

Too many times. Mostly uttered incorrectly as hyperbole. Heard it in ALL admins since I’ve been around. Mostly as hyperbole.

We don’t really know what past admins have done. To say Trump bad without all the facts is irrational.

 

Bull ****. This is purely an executive branch function.

 

There's certain levels of classification/clearance. This is a case where generalizations are going haywire. None of these people for example have access to the President's intelligence agencies, or for example to the nuke code. At best, the security clearance is low-level and allows them to have access to say the WH premises.

 

Pakistan is another one their wild conspiracies they are unable to distinguish fiction from reality.