On God.

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by jmpet, May 6, 2013.

  1. Bishadi

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    the kids are learning that now.

    ive heard some amazing realizations by the youngsters. She said, 'I CAME FROM AN EGG', from there, i pointed out the forward and reverse application of the evolving progression of the LIGHT that is the life of the objective to grow
     
  2. Hafez

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    I disagree with you completely. Your view suffers mightily from the problem of evil and from where it came about. Even if god just created the framework for freewill then he is either incompetent in that he did not foresee the creation of evil or he either created evil willingly. Either way it sure wasn't "satan" as satan was himself a creation of god and his existence would necessitate evil's existence before he actually existed. In essence your god created evil but you are too blind to confront this truth.
     
  3. jmpet

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    Yes- a higher power that people are waking up to... I can agree with that.

    I just find all religion overly...religious. God does not want or need golden thrones and chalices and golden robes and so on... that ain't what God's about.
     
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    The best thing about gods is that people can make them do whatever they think gods should do.
     
  5. Never Left

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    It must be said that faith on its face seems irrational. But for those of us who have it, I speak of Christians, it is concrete and we do not enter into it lightly. And no one should. Also it would seem superficially conjecture as we hold to truth as stated in the Bible. But to us it is not conjecture because we have been convicted by the Holy Spirit of our sin, we have been enlightened by the Holy Spirit that Jesus is indeed the way, the truth, and the light, and we know that we will not enter into heaven by any other. We know that with out him we are eternally lost. We are also assured that the rest of scripture confirms the Sonship of Jesus, that he is Prophet, Priest, and King. That he intercedes for us before the father day and night. Once we have come to the knowledge that Jesus is all these things it is no far leap. Christ himself bridges the gap between our sin nature that prevents us from the throne of God that only the blood of Jesus can achieve. John 3:16, and the whole of chapter 3 for that matter, gives us the greatest promise of all. That God loves us, and that his son is sent to redeem us, and if we believe in him we shall be saved through second birth and faith. You have to work that out for yourself with fear and trembling, Philipians 2:12.
     
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    I'm not sure what you are saying though your broken english. But I percieve that you read the words but do not understand the meaning of those words. And speaking of lazy, it sounds like you are leaning on your own understanding and have not tried to find out the truth through diligent study of people who do understand and the word of God itself.
     
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    You can disagree with me all you want. What it really is is rejecting revealed truth that anyone can find out and know. The rest of what you said is self cancelling and incongruent.
     
  8. Bishadi

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    sorry old man.

    I think your horse has carried your load too far

    Gen 3; 22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --

    those are from what a bible person call, the word of god

    but idiots cant read
     
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    So you have no point then. The verse stands on its own. Whats missing is why you posted it, and what point you wanted to make by posting it, that is, how does that contribute to the conversation. Perhaps I am supposed to infer some context from the attempted insults.
     
  10. Hafez

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    It means that we are made of literally the same stuff as god. We were made by him in his imperfect yet perfect image we are his children and his would be companions.
     
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    We have his essence, which he breathed into us. God is spirit, we are coporeal. God is perfect, he created us perfect in his image, them we rebelled with the deception of Satan and the whole of creation was corrupted.
     
  12. junobet

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    This blindness is especially baffling since the Bible explicitly states that God created evil:

    "I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

    The question is: why? I wouldn't assume to ever be able to read God's mind, but I trust He had good reasons.
     
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    And for many this very issue and the conundrum it represents is the exact reason that the biblical description of God can not be trusted. Blind trust that there is a reason for suffering and evil is simply not comforting or believable for many, many people.
    It does seem popular in those that are not doing the intense suffering that is widespread across the globe, however.
     
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    There is no "satan". The concept of a satan arose shortly after the concept of a single God as a single entity instead of as a sun or clouds or something physical... a burning bush.

    The only concept I would take from Judiasm and Catholicism is the notion of Anointing with the Holy Anointing Oil- everything else is dogma.
     
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    Falsely ? Do you claim that every person who has claimed to have encountered God is telling the truth ? Joseph Smith, Hindoo's, Muhammad, Zoroaster, and from every other pagan religion ?

    All you have stated here is that you know that God represents the Bible perfectly because you know that God represents the Bible perfectly. This is circular restating of your premise.

    The question is "How" do you know the Bible represents God perfectly. Did you have a near death experience, personal encounter or some other way that you know ?
     
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    I had an NDE in 2005 that changed my perception. I could go on about the afterlife but it's different for everyone.
     
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    You must understand, though, that 'enlightenment by the holy spirit' is wholly undetectable by those who do not claim such enlightenment, in exactly the same way that the voices in a crazy person's head telling him to do things are undetectable. Both look equally untenable to me. I don't wish to imply that you're crazy, of course - intrusive thoughts are perfectly normal - but just explaining why, to me, it has so far been impossible to show that it's not conjecture, and that there is any substance to it at all.
     
  18. Bishadi

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    "holy Spirit' is overrated.

    You, me, this embodiment of living folks are literally 'light upon mass' that can cause actions within existance that can live longer than you.

    tat's all folks

    the 'enlightened' part is to know that you're capable and actually give of self, for life (it's that choice part)

    making a child

    [video=youtube;Ah_RGa8-J0A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah_RGa8-J0A[/video]

    that is combing 2 lights to make a new shade

    the subject that will be tough is autism
     
  19. junobet

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    Blind trust is what faith is about and what keeps us going. Which is probably why Hannukkah lights were even lit in Auschwitz.

    You are right though, if you want to imply that any attempt to explain the existence of evil runs the danger of belittling it. The better question is how to deal with it and personally I find the answer to that in Jesus Christ.

    While undoubtedly many have been driven not to believe in a loving God because of evil and suffering, I wouldn’t agree that the existence of evil and suffering necessarily means that biblical descriptions of God can’t be trusted. The question here is what’s been read into these descriptions and that has definitely changed after Auschwitz, hence the differences between Augustininan theology concerning God’s impassibility and the one outlined by theologians such as Moltmann or Sölle for example.
     
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    Who created God? Who causes God to come into being? Who was the Watch Maker's Watch Maker?

    Your conclusion is a problem of infinite of regression and complexity.
     
  21. Never Left

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    Thats true it is undetectable. You would know by the fruit. I personally am skeptical about faith healers on TV, I think they are phoney and staged. THat said I have seen other things that the Holy Spirit has cone that could not possibly be anything else. The #1 thing is salvation itself in an individual. No one is saved without being called and lead to do so by the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Yes and no. Gods exist. Beings from elsewhere hundreds of millions or billions of years more technically advanced than we are and masters of manipulating genetics and nature itself.
    It's even in the script but the pill popper on the pulpit would never dare mention it.
    http://biblehub.com/genesis/6-2.htm
     

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