On kicking out children of illegals

Hello. I think there has been a lot of talk about what we should do with illegal immigrants, and more importantly, their children. Certain people feel that it would be inhumane to send these children/people back to Mexico, because the US is the only country they know. I applaud these people for having so much empathy, however I just want to say that it might not be as bad as they think. I mean, these people still have their parents (who speak Spanish) to turn to for help. Their parents can help them navigate in Mexico. They can interpret for them. And learning Spanish is not that difficult. When I first came to Canada I didn't know a word of English and spoke only Mandarin. However in as few as only 10 years, I managed to be able to converse in English reasonably well for everyday purposes. And To go from Spanish to English is even easier, because they are both European languages and they use similar alphabets. And if it still bothers these liberals, we can have programs specially designed to help these children adapt to life in Mexico. Try to prepare them to go back to Mexico, as it were.

 

Well if the children were born in the US, they are American citizens so they don't have to go back. I think usually in those situations they stay with a relative if the parents really want them to go to school in the US. But they can either go back to their parent's native country or stay in the US if they can find a guardian, so it's the family's choice. The government doesn't force American citizens to leave the country.

 

Its not clear that simply being born in the USA means you are a citizen. Yes the courts have interpreted it that way, but that interpretation does not make sense and it does not comport with the views of the Founders of the nation.

And clearly the situation is being abused. Illegals are sneaking into the USA specifically to have their child inside the USA borders in order to ultimately move their entire family into the USA. That's a deliberate circumvention of the law. Why should America reward people who break the law and deliberately try to abuse the system?

Deport them all except the ones who can meet the criteria used for 200 years for immigration into the USA - demonstrate they want to adopt American vales, have skills, can support themselves and will not burden the nation, and are not a threat or have criminal intent.

 

OP...it is just too (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bad people built a life here as criminals....walk out or get carried out.

 

Citizenship is defined by US statute and currently, that's what it says. That doesn't mean that you couldn't change the law to get rid of birthright citizenship, but for right now, that's the way it is.

 

Do you have children? What if there were forcibly deported back to China? Would that

MAKE AMERICA GREAT?

 

It's pretty clear. As you have said, the courts have interpreted that being born in the USA means that you are a citizen. There's no evidence that the Founding Fathers meant to exclude anyone who is born from being a citizen except for very special situations.

 

How many funds went to their education and needs? I think it would be a waste of money. Let them stay and give back what they were given.

 

Exactly. The "jurisdiction" clause should certainly indicate that those illegally in the country are not able to drop a legal anchor on US soil.

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Like both parents illegally being in the country, for example.

 

Only through a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment

 

I never understood why the child of an illegal should be legal. Seems to me that entices even more illegal aliens to our shores.

 

There is plenty from those who wrote the 14th amendment however. Under the disquisition there of means under the sole jurisdiction of the US and of no foreign power. Other wise they cold have merely stated anyone born on US soil is a US citizen period end of paragraph. No need for under the jurisdiction there of

 

What you're suggesting would go a long way to solving the anchor baby problem.

 

That was the case in Kim Wong. Some now claim that makes them NBCs. Thats ridiculous . Congress by statute however can make even Putin a US citizen if they so choose Congress could decide tomorrow that you have to be born here and parent or parents legally reside here to be born a citizen

 

It's a bastardization of the 14th amendment that was meant to make children of slaves born here citizens, it's sorely in need of updating.

 

Two of the Senators who help author the 14th Amendment clearly stated it's intent was not to give citizenship to those "born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to families of ambassadors or foreign ministers." That appears to be evidence.

http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

 

Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

 

Wrong.

Alexander Hamilton, in response to Pres. Thomas Jefferson wanting massive immigration, wrote as follows: http://thefederalistpapers.org/current-events/alexander-hamilton-and-immigration

The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias, and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family.........

The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or, if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may, as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. ....

“The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromise the interests of our own country in favor of another.

To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens, the moment they put foot in our country, as recommended in the message, would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty.”​

Open borders was never the policy or intent of the authors of the Constitution.

 

Deport the parents. If they do not take their child with them, they abandoned their child and if she/they are such rotten parents the child should be taken away anyway.

 

Yeah I think the 14th Amendment is being misinterpreted, but you still need to change the law.

 

That was intended for former slaves, but even if it is taken at its written word and the intent is ignored, I say ignore it. "progressives" bring up the law and the Constitution only when it suits their agenda and hinders their opposition, as soon as the Constitution or the law gets in the proggies way they throw the law and Constitution in the trash.

You cannot have it both ways. You cannot abandon the law and Constitution when you have the power, and then want to impose it when you are tossed out of power.

Ignore the 14th Amendment, kick out all the illegals.

 

No simply interpret it right which results in the samething

 

It's there. If it needs to be removed there is a procedure for eliminating it.

Don't give me that right wing BS.

And yet that is what you are doing. That is hypocrisy.

 

Whats there is you need to be more than simply born on US soil to be born a US citizen

The hypocrisy is all yours. If the Constitution doesnt agree with you, you breath new life into it and call that progress

 

You have to change 8 U.S. Code § 1401 first. Then if there is a court battle based on the constitution go on from there.