On kicking out children of illegals

Has it ever been challenged in court? I'm completely clueless on this amendment. Nevermind, I looked it up. Looks like there was precedence established in a case in 1898 about a chinese baby being born here. I suspect that it could get a visit to the SCOTUS in the near future.

 

That only said that since his parents were legal residence at the time of his birth he was a US citizen and even that was a bad decision. China still had jurisdiction over both he and his parents, Nothing in that case addresses the children of illegal aliens

 

It's not contradictory at all.

If you break a law in a foreign country you are subject to the penalties of that sovereign state, who have full authority to punish anyone inside it's area of control.

How do we know that the US has authority over US citizens? You can't legally leave or enter the country without permission in the form of your passport. If you commit a crime in a foreign country, the first thing they will do is take your passport. The first thing that government will do (well, most countries) is contact the US embassy to let them know one of their morons is off the reservation.

So yeah, they have full authority over your actions, and your punishment after the host country gets done with you.

 

Yeah I don't think it means what you want it to mean.

I keep hearing this "against our values" stuff, but they never say what they mean.

here is why:

James Madison: …It is no doubt very desirable that we should hold out as many inducements as possible for the worthy part of mankind to come and settle amongst us, and throw their fortunes into a common lot with ours. But why is this desirable? Not merely to swell the catalogue of people. No, sir, it is to increase the wealth and strength of the community; and those who acquire the rights of citizenship, without adding to the strength or wealth of the community are not the people we are in want of. And what is proposed by the amendment is, that they shall take nothing more than an oath of fidelity, and declare their intention to reside in the United States. Under such terms, it was well observed by my colleague, aliens might acquire the right of citizenship, and return to the country from which they came, and evade the laws intended to encourage the commerce and industry of the real citizens and inhabitants of America, enjoying at the same time all the advantages of citizens and aliens.

Alexander Hamilton: “The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family.”

Apparently, Madison was warning us about progressive bull**** from way back when.

 

It means that there were little to know restrictions on who could immigrate here and who could not. Which is what we had.

Where did I say anything about "against our values"?

Then you should have no problem naming the large catalog of laws the Founding Fathers produced restricting who could immigrate here and who could not. I'll wait.

 

The Trump policy is to secure the border (build the wall (metaphor)) and deport criminal illegal aliens. And then figure out what to do with the remaining illegal aliens which are law abiding (yes I realize that they have broken the law to enter the US). The majority of US voters want a process of legalized status which might include a lengthy path to citizenship.

 

We were a huge nation in need pf a population but that doesnt take away from what Madison said. We started restricting immigration in 1819

 

We do not punishing American children due to the bad behaviors of their parents and yes they are indeed Americans but I could see some amusing cases or right wingers who find that they and their children need to go to a country that they have not relationship to due to lack of correct paperwork a generation or so ago.

 

Oh I dunno, Alien and Sedition act comes to mind.

Clearly, the Founders opinions on US citizenship could not be more obvious, and it isn't what your average progressive is spouting from their pie holes.

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Actually, before that.

The Alien and Sedition act was done in 1798.

 

It more then law is happen to be part of the constitution since the 14 amendment was pass.

So you would need to either tear up the constitution or at least amend the constitution.

 

No. Just change the law. The 14th Amendment doesn't address it.

 

Well maybe Trump can get enough judges on the SC to change this very very settle constitutional question or even tear the constitution up

 

Neither does the law. It still requires you be under the jurisdiction of the US

 

I am sure you do not understand the concept of a person born in the county and who consider him or herself as must of an American as you should not be anything but a citizen even if his or her parents paperwork is not correct.

 

Not by the constitution and that is a matter of very settle law.

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Try getting such an amendment through and see how far you would get.

 

Illegal immigrants and immigrants in general are encouraged to have childern so that they cannot be send back because it is "inhumane." In my country they will go on the news with their childern and have the childern cry about how they grew up here and cannot be send back. Hold up though, the people that had childern knew they were not able to stay or that they could be send back. They took a chance and that is fine, but you have to accept the consequences of your actions. That means that the childern should be deported with their parents, this will send a clear message to any and all illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. As of now they are taught that if they have childern they are more likely to stay because it is considered inhumane to send their childern back with them if the childern were born in the country that they are in. This is exploiting the system for their own benefit.

 

Nice but even if they took those children with them the children on reaching adulthood would have the right to come back as citizens.

 

We don't need an amendment.

All we need is an interpretation of the "jurisdiction of" clause, and that's all she wrote.

 

The Alien Sedition act made it harder for immigrants to become citizens and made it easier to deport hostile immigrants. That falls far, far short of what I asked for.

Citizenship =/= residence. There were no broad restrictions on residence and/or entry under the FFs. No visas were required at the time.

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Actually, before that.

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Second generation can speak the language. It is usually third that can't.

 

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You asked for restrictions on who could, or could not immigrate. Clearly those acts do that.

Note there was a "trial phase" for becoming a US citizen. You could immigrate, and if you did not fit in during that 5 year period, you could be removed. Immigration was always conditional.

Note also that these acts extended that original 5 year "trial phase" to 14 years. You had to live in the US for 14 years and prove you were a productive citizen. If not, you were asked to leave.

I'd be fine with that. You want to come to the US? Fine. Here's your card and your 14 year trial period starts now.

Prove yourself.

 

Faulty argument. Good parents would not endanger their children's future. I had a baby overseas, and I went through the proper steps to ensure and secure US citizenship for my child. Scenarios on deporting families will not happen in most likelihood - it is a false narrative from the Progs. Over and over Trump has said he's pointing at criminals not law abiding people. But if it does affect a family, it will be sad. Just like when a parent is a heroin addict, or beats the kids. Sad, but not our fault. Just bad parenting.


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If the Democrats keep going the way they are we may get to find out in 2018. The Democrats have 23 seats in the Senate up for re-election in 2018, 10 of them are in states that voted for Trump. The Republicans only need 8 of those seats to give them 60.

 

I think the amendment stating you are an American citizen if you are born here was passed after the Civil War, to guarantee black men were declared citizens so they could vote. It was never intended to be the "anchor baby" amendment.

 

American citizens have children that are American citizens...Why should an illegal alien have the same right? They are not citizens and, in fact, have no right to cross our borders. I understand how a child born of illegal aliens in America would think they are American but that is not MY fault it is the fault of their irresponsible parents.