On what basis do Christians claim that their god is "good"?

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  1. OhZone

    OhZone Active Member

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    Christians saved those murdered by communist dictators? They didn't do a very good job since the numbers seem to be about 50 million.

    Our world became civilized because of Christians?
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    Ever hear of the "Inquisition"?

    Women are "Free" thanks to Jesus? For the past 2000 years women have been subjugated to the will of men. How is that setting them free?
    To this day they are still paid less than a man sitting next to them who is doing the exact same job. It was only in 1920 that women got the right to vote. In some states women could not sell their own real property without their husband's permission until the 1960's.

    So tell me again about Jesus setting them free.

    BTW Jesus Christ is not his name. Christ is a TITLE not a name.
     
  2. catalinacat

    catalinacat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh come on. Let's see here in America, and other countries that worship Jesus Christ; women can drive, vote, hold political office, become CEO's. Don't think the muslim countries allow that now, do they? The women have nada freedom, but that is okay with you, yes?
     
  3. crank

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    I don't think the poster was excusing OTHER patriarchal dogmas. They all suck.
     
  4. OhZone

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    Our freedom from male domination came only recently.
    ]Where did I say that women's plight in Muslim countries was OK?
    It isn't, but that is their problem. Do you have any plan that will change it?
     
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    Incidentally, have any Christians actually answered the OP?
     
  6. cupid dave

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    This makes sense when we discover in the new testament that Christ is the personified ideal of Truth.

    That fact mens that God, the father of Truth, is Reality, itself.

    Based upon this fact, we see that the Old Testament is about God's love for the Hebrew patriarchs who abstain from sexual promiscuity (or should), while the rest of the world behaves as do the matriarchies which fornicate and divorce, commit abortions, and formulate Welfare programs.

    Reality is like that.

    Reality DOES favor patriarchies.
    Matriarchies have always collapsed within a very short span of time, because of the appearance of bastard children who make poor citizenship commitments.
     
  7. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL Women getting the vote has zero to do with Christianity.
     
  8. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    sure it does! all good things in the world come from Christianity - even when those things predate Christianity, or exist in places where Christ was unknown. the female vote, French triple brie cheese, kindness, and smartphones are all down to jesus.
     
  9. dairyair

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    Oh come on now, has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. It is because of secularism and our amendments to the constitution.
    Hell, woman can't still hold power positions in most churches. So don't lie to yourself.
     
  10. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    If you insert Truth where you mention jesus you are correct in this idea.

    Jesus said "before abraham, I am."
    He meant Truth has ALWAYS existed right from the first instance of Reality.
     
  11. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    This makes sense if one assume sexually promiscuous behavior is to be avoided and curtailed.

    Men can be as promiscuous as they might like to be, whether the women are or not.
    Women have always relied upon male interest in them, sexually, in order to build marriages and families.

    But when women can acceptably be sexually promiscuous and divorce is acceptable, they are basically born into a ready business operation, regardless of how openly they operate that business.
    This is totally different for men.

    The problems of the whoredom that follows destroys societies.
     
  12. LogicallyYours

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    I guess when you have weakness of character and personality, religion is for you.
     
  13. dairyair

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    As I just answered you in another thread. We will never ever avoid sexual promiscuity. We are human, it is part of our nature.
    I think we can advance society to make due with 'whoredom'. We accomodate gigaloism.
     
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    I think a little research will convince you that strong female societies that are matriarchs are soon to fall into the hands of a "fatherly" dictator, are invaded by neighboring patriarchies, like Islam, China, russia, etc, or become destroyed by the inter-city Welfare dependents that can no longer be supported as they wish.

    No matriarchy has ever lasted long enough for the sociologists to study them.

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  15. dairyair

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    We don't have any thing close to a matriarch society. Nor do I think we ever will.
    If we can rid the world of silly superstitions, religions. We can coexist. But we need to get rid of the my god is better than your god. When 1/2 the world have the same god.
     
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    even the triple brie? I mean I love the stuff, but there are folk who would claim the smell is straight from the kitchens of hell.
     
  17. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    It is no lie that you use innocent babies to defend evil.

    That is your claim not mine. My claim is that the extremist Islamic people are evil because they want to force everyone to worship their god , my claim is that atheist will kill anyone or force everyone to worship doctrine this mean that atheist and Islamic extremist walk side by side. Atheist are enemies of secularism and religion.
     
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    People who torture and burn people who disagree with them are atheist.
    Atheist think of themselves
    Christians think of others
    Atheist will kill for their dear leader
    Christians will kill for God
    Atheist will sacrifice others to save themselves
    Christians will sacrifice themselves to save others
    Atheist don't care
    Christians care
     
  19. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    i agree, and recommend Truth as the god all men need "worship."

    The sign of a matriarchy is when Gayness becomes openly acceptable.

    This is the reason homosexuality is so attacked in the Bible.
    Gays can NOT exist in Islam, for instance.
    So, when we look for a matriarchy we need to measure the level of Homosexuality that it openly produces.
     
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    So can we assume that you are pro-abortions as a good thing for our young unwed women, Welfare, and single mothers raising kids that are abused twice as much as legitimate babies...??

    This is OK with you?
     
  21. LogicallyYours

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    Your claim, as usual, is based nothing more than your own delusions and emotional need to be correct. I am an agnostic atheist...we have no "doctrine" and we don't force anyone to believe what they choose not to believe.

    You're as dishonest as your wrong.
     
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    50 million murdered by atheist communist and 50+1 millionth saved by Christians.

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    Yes thanks to Christians modern world as we live in today survived and prospering.

    Ever heard of "Gulag" "Death Camps", "Re-education camps" or "concentration camps"?

    Yes, women are free thanks to our Lord Jesus Christ. Yes for 2000 years women were treated like slaves that is why Christian women emulate Mary mother of God, Sarah free wife of Abraham. Women are being set free through education with protection provided by Christians. Wages are measured according to work situation not gender a woman Prime minister get the same pay as a male Prime minister, a female judge, lawyers, McDonald, Walmart worker get the same pay as males.
    John 19: 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. :pray:

    Christ a Title that is Jesus Christ the Messiah the Son of God. amen.

    Matthew 16: 13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

    14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

    15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

    16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

    17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[c] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[d] loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah
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    :pray:
     
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    This is a lie made up by your sick and twisted mind in an attempt to try and justify killing of innocent babies.

    What evil ? I gave you a passage where it explained exactly why the killing took place. The passage where God hardened the heart of a King against the Israelites so that he would not let them pass through his land.

    The Israelites defeated this Kings army and could have passed through the land peacefully. They chose to kill the people in the towns.

    What is the evil that was committed by the babies of these people and how is pointing out the facts "defending evil"
     
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    This is what the Israelites did. They killed people for not worshiping their God.

    You have also claimed that killing babies in the name of God was justified because the parents were thought to be "evil".

    This is the same justification used by extremist Islam.
     
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    was that one of the slides of propaganda the cults imprint on the minds of it's followers nowadays - lol

    seek the truth and you shall be free - eating from the tree of knowledge is not bad for you, that is just a lie you have been told
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