One of many reasons why I hate cops

Most cops aren't good or bad, they're likely to do the right thing or the wrong thing depending on various circumstances - just like anyone really.

 

I'm not moving the goalposts, I already won this argument, you made a claim and failed to back it up attacking me instead when I repeatedly asked you for a law backing up what you stated. You FAILED.

You just make (*)(*)(*)(*) up don't you? You ever heard of "your vehicle is an extension of your home?" Apparently not. Well, it does. His motorcycle is an extension of his home, meaning without a warrant, no seizure of property especially since he wasn't the one breaking the law. How can you not understand this? Do you not get it? You must not. Riding on a public road doesn't give cops automatic permission to search your vehicle. All searches in vehicles take place on a public roadway, God, now I remember why I left this forum.

Implied consent? The guy repeated stated in the video "I do not consent to this search, I don't consent to you taking my camera." He is on a public road IN HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE. Extension of his home. Try to process all this.

So I will ask one more time, although my expectations aren't great. Show me the law that states that a cop can seize your property without a warrant from your vehicle when he's pulling you over SOLELY to seize your property for use in an investigation. Because that is what the video in question shows.

Do not reply without a link to a law stating that because that's the claim you made. Replying again and attacking me again without posting proof of your claim will result in you being reported for flaming/trolling.

 

I suppose one could say the same about most criminals.. just a victim of circumstance

thing is, we are supposed to expect better from cops.....

but yes, good people can do bad things and bad people can do good things, it's a choice.....

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don't disagree, and some cops only because cops for the power and adrenalin rush..... helping people did not fit into the equation for them.... these are the cops that need to go

 

I never attacked you, I'm not posting a link, go ahead and report me. I know the law, I don't really need to prove it. An officer doesn't necessarily need a warrant depending on circumstance. He must be able to articulate the reason he searched/seized any property, but if he is good with the understanding of law (some cops aren't) and granting the crime is serious enough, yeah a warrant isn't always necessary. If you find this to be a problem it's something you should take up with your legislators and judiciary.

You are insisting on something that I know to be false. It's your right to think what ever you wish, and if you choose to remain ignorant of the law you do so at your own peril.

I wish you the best.

 

Most police do it because they need a job. But there is a circumstance where good police go wrong. One thing I think tends to be an issue that is almost impossible to overcome is the blue wall. It is where police look out for their own (other police) over the benefits of the community. It's hard to stop this because with the public lashing out at police just because they are police. It's deeper than professional courtesy, it's almost like a brotherhood.

 

I need to be clearer.

The idea of "bad cop" or "good cop" doesn't reflect reality. Most cops - at least in my experience - will try to do the right thing, always. But again, in my experience, most cops will do the wrong thing sometimes. It's reality.

 

there are bad cops though.. that is a reality.. if it were not, you would not have to say "Most Cops", you would say "All Cops" are good cops

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lying to protect a bad cop should be a felony

and I agree, most cops just do it cause it's a good paying job, some do it because they like to help people, some for the power trip, the reasons are various, just like any other profession... and like other profession, there are good and bad employees, and some employees commit crimes, but most times other employees do not cover for criminal employees and if they do, they go to prison....

because of the power cops have with the badge, they should be held to a higher standard

I do think the war on drugs is part of the problem

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I couldn't agree more. There are people who are cops who are probably sociopathic, I think I've known several. They tend to be known by other cops. Some, unfortunately, because of the charisma that sometimes emanates from sociopaths, attract acolytes and suck in otherwise good cops. Yes there are "bad" cops and the rest should do nothing to protect or support them. But as I said before, most cops are "good" most of the time, but all cops will cross the line at least once, maybe in a minor way, but it will and does happen. It's reality.

 

I agree, most cops are good cops, but like us, when they cross the line they should be punished

if I get caught speeding, I pay a fine
if I assault someone I get time

I expect no less for our officers in blue, they are paid to enforce the law, they are not exempt from it or above it

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Which brings up "professional courtesy", a particularly repellent aspect of the informal culture. I only have to think back to the aftermath of Katrina and the row between the Virginia State Police and NJ police.

http://forums.njlawman.com/post/vir...75-marked-nypd-cars-returning-from-n-o-669759

 

I agree with all of the above.

 

Behind the front doors, tint can be as dark as you want it on a truck.

 

It's like politicians, lawyers, and used-car salesmen: there ARE honest cops, but the 90% that are corrupt, evil, or just burned out ruins it for them.

 

One of many reasons why I hate cops

IMPD officers buy 90-year-old woman groceries

 

same here

 

Motor Vehicle Exception

Fourth Amendment protection against searching motor vehicles without a search warrant has diminished over time. In 1925, the court ruled in Carroll v. United States (2657 U.S. 132)9 that if there was probable cause for an officer to secure a search warrant, it may be impractical because the vehicle was movable.

In a 1981 case (New York v. Belton, 453 U.S. 454)10, the Supreme Court ruled that when a police officer arrests a person in a vehicle, the officer may search the vehicle s passenger compartment, including any open or closed containers, but not the trunk.

In 1999, the court ruled in Maryland v. Dyson (527 U.S. 465)11 that a warrantless search of a vehicle may be justified if an officer has probable cause to believe the vehicle contains contraband, controlled substances or criminal evidence. (more)



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You're stereotyping the police. That's the same thing people love to criticize cops for.

 

it was murder. The guy never had a knife, and this cop probably got a raise..... and then to start arresting everyone? WTF..where was the probable cause? I heard the cop say ...arrest everyone in the house. Why? None of them were present for the murder. Maybe they wanted to intimidate them into helping the pig justify his murderous actions.

 

If you have ever called for a cop, or would call a cop, then you're a hypocrite.

 

We better figure out how to fix the cops because while we may have some bad apples causing some real problems for police in general, and especially for the areas specifically affected, our society(if there was one left) would be far worse off without the police.

But then, I suppose we could look to all those places in the world that don't have police for guidance on how to be happy and successful with no authority to enforce law and order.

 

the poster you responded to lives right behind a cop shop........he thinks they are here to protect him. now, that's my Monday funny
I wonder who they are failing to protect while they guard his house for him.....

 

I never said this cop wasn't in the wrong. What I am saying is it's never fair to make blanket statements about cops (or any other organization/group/etc.) from a few incidents.

 

A couple things I've personally seen cops do that was just wrong.....

1). Bait someone into a race in an undercover police Mustang. Was in the next lane. Saw a plain new Mustang 5.0 with tinted windows pull up alongside a Dodge Ram Hemi Pickup and the Mustang started racing the engine and inching forward. Hemi driver apparently got suckered into an impromptu hard acceleration from the light. Mustang blue lights the Pickup.

2). Small town has someone in a hopped up sports car driving aggressively through a main street. Watched as mostly young guys would take the challenge and then get picked off
just down the road by a patrol car with radar going 15 - 20 over the speed limit. The bait car would then go around and repeat. Watched it happen over and over.
They do this same thing with prostitutes (bait female cops), you were just probably unaware they did this in traffic as well.

3). Cops show up at a residence and claim there was a 911 call from the house. Say they need to come inside and make sure everything is ok.
While there may be incidences where the 911 system does get bungled, you best believe cops use this tactic often. Reason? Depends on how corrupt the city or cops are.

Cops know every trick in the book and don't hesitate to take advantage of naive people.

As far as needing cops? No. If we, upstanding citizens, weren't demonized by the system when we defended ourselves, we could do a far better job of it and probably a lot less people would die unnecessarily.

 

there's more than just a few isolated incidences. The papers are full of dirty cop stories. Youtube has so many stories it takes pages to get the new ones in. Many are news station reports/broadcast news. Why do you think they don't want to be video'ed?
And the ones who don't turn are just as dirty by hiding the other corruption.
I'm going on the record by stating that I'm not a cop hater. I hate corrupt cops and those who shield them.
So, suppose you tell the rest of us how to tell the difference between a corrupt cop and a clean cop................