Only 28% of Pakistanis Have Unfavorable Opinion of ISIS

An Islamic concept? Heh, I didn't know that!

I guess it just reinforces the truth of Islam.

 

Dear. . .some imbeciles may be too thick to see your game. . .but the FACT is that the PEW RESEARCH, your OWN SOURCE's title has NOTHING to do with the 28% unfavorable IN PAKISTAN against ISIS.

The PEW RESEARCH showed in its chart AND STATED CLEARLY IN ITS TITLE and its article that MOST MUSLIM COUNTRIES have an unfavorable opinion of ISIS. . .Pakistan is the EXCEPTION. . .but you chose to ONLY GIVE part of the story. . .the part that serves your apparent need to demonize Muslims.

How stupid do you think people in this forum are?

This is what you added to the article (where you hoping that most wouldn't read the WHOLE article and would just read your comments?)

Guess what. . . MOST MUSLIM areas of the world DO overwhelmingly reject ISIS. . .and it is not "ALMOST EVERY MUSLIM COUNTRY POLLED" who have a double digit approval of ISIS. . .IT IS ONLY THREE. . .and that DOESN'T INCLUDE PAKISTAN where only 9% approve of ISIS!

PLEASE TRY TO BE HONEST, AT LEAST WHEN YOUR LIES CAN BE SO EASILY VERIFIED!

Actually, I believe this thread is invalid and should be scratched, because the OP is CLEARLY INTENTIONALLY misleading in its intent!

 

The AVERAGE of this survey that views ISIS favorably is around, roughly 20%. This is the same 20% that Sam Harris correctly has been telling people about for years now. So 20% of 1.5 billion is around 300 MILLION Muslims that approve of The Islamic State. It wouldn't matter if, say, 9 BILLION MORE (yes, I'm creating people out of this air) Muslims did not view The Islamic State favorably, as that would not change the 300 million that do view them favorably.

ROUGHLY 300 MILLION MUSLIMS LIKELY VIEW THE ISLAMIC STATE FAVORABLY! So our enemy in WWIII is going to outnumber our enemy in WWII, and are not isolated in their home country - so this will be a nastier war than WWII was. Ouch.

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Sam Harris agrees with the OP, you do not. I'm going to believe the science-based, logical, intellectually consistent Stanford neuroscientist over you, mkay. Sorry about that.

 

Your info says you are in BELGIUM right now. Here's a great tip for you: when you are trying to defend a belief system, don't try to defend one that currently has the capital city in the very nation you are in IN LOCK-DOWN.

"Belgium to decide on extending Brussels lockdown" http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/belgium-state-alert-continues-day-151122032505683.html

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Yeah, and it's not like Pakistan has a bunch of nukes or anything.

 

Actually it does.



See where it says "Pakistan"? The 28% is the percentage that listed an unfavorable opinion of ISIS. You mistakenly assumed this meant favorable, which led you to post "You do realize that this means that 72 % DO have an unfavorable opinion of ISIS, right?" in post #88.

I gave the entire story. I posted the article in its entirety and gave a link. The title of the thread is that 28% of Pakistanis have an unfavorable opinion of ISIS. That's a fact based on Pew Research, as I demonstrated. I dealt with the other countries in the text of the OP, where I give my opinions on other countries having either double digit support of ISIS, or a combination of support and indifference.

You have yet to refute a single thing I've written. The title of this thread is 100% factual, and you have not been able to refute it. With most of the other countries listed in the polling, there is either a double digit level of support for ISIS, or a significant percentage of the population doesn't know if they support ISIS or not. They're indifferent. Again, this is based off Pew Research polling. All of this supports my argument that ISIS is NOT overwhelmingly rejected in many areas of the Islamic world. I'm sorry if that argument, which I've substantiated, upsets you, but that's reality, regardless.

 

I'm 99% sure that you know nothing about Islam (no offense, I didn't before 9/11 either). But hopefully I'm wrong. So to find out, please tell us the 3 worst things in the Islamic texts (off the top of your head.) Thanks. Again, I hope I'm wrong about you.

Have a great day.

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Brew, you are AWESOME.
You are right, and Sadanie is about 99% off on this (in my opinion.)
Keep posting, Brew!

 

Muslim nations trail the world in most all major categories of success. So this particular god is kind of a failure, to be sure.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hold on there, slick! Mohammad was into little GIRLS (Aisha was 9 years-old when he raped her), so give Mohammad a break, bro!

 

When you run across the part about Mohammad approving of his minions raping captive Infidel women, then please let us know so that we can celebrate that you've left Islam. Thanks.

"Sahih Muslim. Chapter 29: Title: It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified of menses or delivery. In case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive."
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam

 

Dear. . .what I know about Islam, I didn't learn in books, but by living in a town where Muslims are accepted and are integrating quite well. What I know about ALL religions is that there are good and bad people and that terrorism is present in all (Israeli allow their government to terrorize Gaza strip, Christians are the more frequent mass shooters in the US, and have a history of exterminating those refusing "Christ," and Musims . . .we all know what SOME Muslims are capable of doing today!)

I also know PEOPLE. . .and I judge them individually, NOT as an homogenous group by race, sex, religion, or sexual preference. . .not even by political preferences. . .which would be easy enough to do!

I find it sweet that you think Brew is so awesome for providing only a VERY SMALL part of the whole Pew research, and wording it in such a way that it would negate all the POSITIVE statistical findings in this research, and "paraphrasing" (in a very creative way) the findings of that research.

I guess. . .birds of a feather. . .

Too bad truth doesn't mean much to you either!

 

This is a lie. I posted verbatim from the Pew Research article. I literally left nothing out.

I'm still waiting for you to provide some evidence for your 72% claim, though. Why are you not providing it?

 

You completely dodged the question!
Now I'm 99.99999999% (not a mere 99.0% sure) that you know nothing about the Islamic texts. But I'd love to be proven wrong (like I was with forum member MMC recently.) So please tell us the 3 worst things in the Islamic texts (off the top of your head.) If you don't know, then you are basically saying in your post above that "Nazis are nice people because I lived among them, so no I don't need to understand the ideology behind Nazism!!"

 

You're big on truth, then - great. So is it TRUE when the Islamic texts say that "jinns" are real? Is it true that Mohammad "split the moon"? Is it true that humans 1400 years ago could understand what ants are saying (the Bible believes that donkeys and snakes can talk to us, so to be fair, both seem insane)? Is it true that magic invisible people fly around with wings ("angels")?
Are all these true, Sadanie?

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Yes, it's pretty obvious that Jesus doesn't give a damn about his "children", or he'd do something about that.

 

I am not saying you didn't post the PEW research (except for their title, of course. . that would have been too telling!), but how you "paraphrased" the article in a MISLEADING and even LYING way. I have already cited the lies in your commentary in a previous post.

By the way. . .my "72% claim" was merely a sarcastic answer to your "28% do not approve of ISIS." I made that remark BEFORE I went to the source and read the way the research was divided in THREE groups (those who did NOT approve of ISIS, those who DO approve of ISIS, and those who are unsure). In the case of Pakistan ALONE (which, by the way, you used because it was the most extreme case!) only 9% approved, 28% disapproved, and 63% are unsure.

Capish?

But, to please you. . . and to confirm the TRUTH included in this research (a truth that was made par of the title of this article), I will take the time to verify EXACTLY the total % of approval, disapproval, and "unsure" across ALL the Muslim countries described by the research.

 

Pew shows the percent favorable for ISIS in Pakistan is 9%.

9%.

It would be interesting to dive into Pakistani opinion a little more. The polling of that nation seems to have been on the weak side, given 62% of "no opinion".

My bet is that our assault on Pakistan radicalized the population there to some extent. We chased a lot of criminals into Pakistan. Then, we ran heavy assaults by drones, including mistakenly blowing up wedding parties, etc.

Plus, we coerced their government to allow our operations in Pakistan against the loudly expressed will of the people.

I'm not sure what YOU are hoping the numbers in Pakistan mean, but I'm pretty happy that ISIS has so little support there in spite of the spillover of war on their border.

 

Have I EVER Said I knew anything about the text of Islam? NO. . .and I don't need to know!

There is enough stupidity in the texts of Jewish and Christian religions that I place NO CREDENCE in any of those texts. . .I believe they are ALL man made, and full of men's ambitions, greed, vices, and thirst for blood.

I do not expect the Koran to be any different!

I do not need religion. . .I believe that, historically (and still today) religion, ALL religions, have done more damage to humanity than anything else.

I totally agree "GOD HAS NO RELIGION!"

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See my full answer to your previous attack. . .You are preaching to the choir in this case!

I believe in NO religion!

 

There were no lies at all. I showed that large minorities in some countries, or even majorities in the case of Pakistan, of Muslims do not "overwhelmingly" reject ISIS, which contradicts the left-wing narrative. You disagreeing with that argument doesn't mean I'm lying about anything.

You didn't need to "go to the source" to see that the data was organized into 3 groups. The image I posted, which was literally the first thing you would have seen when reading the OP, shows this clearly.

So, like I suspected, you commented on the article before you actually read it.

It won't take very much time at all. You just need to read the article that I linked to, or read the OP since I copied the article over. Pretty simple.

 

Which I would argue is still a sizable minority. If 9% of Muslims across the world supported ISIS in this percentage, we'd be looking at 135 million enemies.

What bothers me more is the percentage that doesn't know whether they like ISIS or not. If the West is going to take these people in, I would hope they would oppose a group like ISIS just as much as we do, but they don't.

 

I'm very impressed with that answer. Sorry if you felt it was an "attack".
You are 100% correct - you "do not need religion".

Couldn't have said this better myself: "There is enough stupidity in the texts of Jewish and Christian religions that I place NO CREDENCE in any of those texts. . .I believe they are ALL man made, and full of men's ambitions, greed, vices, and thirst for blood."

You are 100% correct - the Koran is no different. It does have less cruelty and violence in it as the most detailed analysis of that I've ever seen clearly shows:
Number of Cruel or Violent Passages:
Bible 1214
Quran 527
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot...lent-bible-or-quran.html#sthash.kNuxOrxu.dpuf

 

That's more than the German population in 1939, so THIS war is going to be worse, arguably.

 

And that's just if the number was really 9%. Research suggests 15-20% but it could be higher than that.

 

You really seem to have a difficult time with reading comprehension!

I gave you the OUTRIGHT LIES that are included in your "commentary" about the Pew research article, but once again I will post it:

But, as promise. . .I will give you the TOTAL % numbers of "favorable/unfavorable/unsure" as I calculated (it doesn't come to 100% due to rounding, by me, and also by Pew research, as admitted by Pew research just below the table they provided of the 11 Muslim countries surveyed).

Here it is: AVERAGE % of people in Muslim countries surveyed who have a FAVORABLE opinion of ISIS: 6.8%
AVERAGE % of people in Muslim countries surveyed who have an UNFAVORABLE opinion of ISIS: 64.5%
AVERAGE % of people in Muslim countries surveyed who are UNSURE of their opinion of ISIS: 19.8%

I would say that a 64.5 % of REJECTION of ISIS in the Islamic world is QUITE overwhelming. . .especially if you consider that ONLY 6.8 % ACCEPT Isis!

But. . . be my guest, go to your own source and make that calculation yourself!

 

But it is NOT 9% across the world, is it?

It is 9% IN PAKISTAN. . .
And ONLY 6.8% ACROSS ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES. . .not the world!

 

You don't have evidence of that.

Please remember that all the Muslims in the ME amount to only 17% of Islam.

The poll in question misses the vast majority of Islam.

I'm curious what that 62% in Pakistan is thinking. There seems to be something going on there that is outside the ability of this particular poll to answer. But, we're not taking in refugees from Pakistan.

Who we would be taking are people from Syria who have been subject to the hell of war wrecked upon them by ISIS, the Assad government, Russia, etc. My bet is they will be shocked by what America has to offer in terms of support, freedom and acceptance.

 

Sam Harris doesn't agree with the OP. . . 20% is certainly statistically different than 28% in ONE country!

In fact, IF you agree with the Pew research (and the OP is a very small part of the PEW research, you will have to agree that the Sam Harris doesn't agree with the PEW research either. . .since the pew research shows a total average among the ISLAMIC countries surveyed of 6.4% favorability to ISIS. . .and that was BEFORE the Paris attack!

So. . .Sam Harris or the PEW research. . .which science -based, logical, intellectually consistent research will you follow?

Especially considering that, in the 750,000 refugees that came to the US since 9/11, only 3 were arrested for possible terrorist activities?

 

The middle country in that poll appears to be Turkey. In Turkey, 27% couldn't say that they have an unfavorable opinion of ISIS.....**ISIS**!! Incredible. I'm not sure what sane person could NOT say that they have an unfavorable opinion of ISIS! Incredible. Turkey is ground zero (well, almost) of all the countries that they surveyed when it comes to ISIS - Peru or Bolivia was not surveyed. Yet they 27% could't say that they have an unfavorable opinion of ISIS. One reason is that many Muslims believe that only ALLAH can call someone to Jihad, so who are they to question Allah? So the 20% of Sam Harris is below that 27% median figure, but I still think it's about right. So that's 300 MILLION Muslims who have a favorable opinion of ISIS.
Also, when asked do you have a favorable opinion of the most notorious terrorist group this century, I'd expect some people to just SAY "no", because who wants to be accused of favoring a bunch of terrorists - so the actual figure who have a favorable opinion of ISIS is likely higher than the 20%.

MORE British Muslims have gone to JOIN ISIS than have joined the British Army. Which tells us a whole lot!