Oops, What Goes In Bavaria? Crosses Will Now Be Hung Everywhere.

"American" is possibly the worst thing someone has ever called me, and I have made enemies of some people with -very- wide vocabularies.

That said: Identity is a function of difference. Identity is not inherent to anything, and identity does not precede anything. Your identity does not determine anything, that's bullshit people whip out in order to avoid accountability. Identity should be spoken of in the same breath as ******** and dying, regrettable processes that emerge from simple facts of metaphysics.

 

Well then the Crosses may indeed do some good because Bavarian Christians apparently are not at all keen on Bavarians making Muslims feel unwelcome.

https://www.rt.com/news/364224-germany-bavaria-muslims-attitude-poll/

but obviously one would not expect a European country to be becoming Christian Fanatical. Given that the new extreme Right is always going on about Christianity simply to have a go at Muslims, likely it is them trying to put Crosses everywhere and make Bavaria a Religious nut job state. Presumably the genuine Christians will get them to remove them.

 

Not really! Guess again?

 

I'm willing to bet a significant sum of money that he's an American.

 

The rebirth of Hitler.

We should have let him do what he was going to do and stayed out of it. Instead we decide to arm everybody who literally kicked Germany into the dirt for 30 years after a Great War that caused devastating amounts of chaos on both sides.

This time, we let him have Europe, because most of Europe continues to piss away every opportunity they are given.

 

I don't think the Crosses should be removed. No nation should remove something that is part of their heritage - unless it's ultra offensive like the Swastika. In Catholic countries like the Orthodox ones, schools, hospitals, administrative buildings always had crosses or icons.

Christian symbols have nothing to do with nationalism, which is purely a cultural problem and is a sin in Christianity. As for fundamentalism, it's spiritual immaturity:

Russia is undergoing an immense revival, with an average of a thousand churches being opened each year for the past 30 years, yet they have an excellent relationship with the Muslims, Jews and Buddhists in the Federation. What they don't allow though is proselytizing of any faith.

The US is a Protestant country, so we didn't have Crosses in schools, but we did pray in class until the 1960's. After that everything including our humanity went downhill:

This was our Thanksgiving Day school hymn:

 

Oh it's worse yet. You're not just American in some incidental sense. You're paradigmatically American.

This is a lesson that I learned with great difficulty myself. I regarded myself as "above" identity, above history.

But I'm not. I'm an American. I'm a white, atheist American born and raised on the crossroads between the American South, the American West, and the Mexican Borderland.

All of this has been key in my intellectual development.

Identity is a function of being.

I would say that even the universe has identity, but it goes further still. The universe is identity.

That's simply incorrect, metaphysically. Identity doesn't have to determine everything, it IS everything.

Of course, I run the risk of equivocating here. "Identity" in the political sense and "identity" in the metaphysical sense are different, if related. The fact of the matter is that your beliefs here don't come down from on high, but from a narrow cultural evolution that you're a part of.

The conflation of religious markings on public institutions with "theocracy" is something only an American is capable of.

 

I didn't mean he wasn't an American, but that his views reflect other influences as well.

 

Oh surely. American intellectual life has almost all of it's roots in European and Middle Eastern thought (with a little sprinkling of Indian), at least for now. Give us a few more centuries.

There's are strains of Communist thought and strains of American culture that run together neatly.

High practicality.
A materialistic way of looking at the world and history.
A belief in overarching historical progress.
A belief in the inviolability of individual rights (...like I said, "strains of Communist thought.")
A universalistic ethical and political worldview.

 

When the EU constitution was being drawn up, Arch. Christodoulos of Greece and a Catholic Cardinal tried to get Judaic Christian values mentioned as being the foundation of European civilization. Guess what nation objected: Turkey! They said that if it is put in the Constitution, they will not join - not that they have been able to join anyway.

I can't understand the mentality. If something is not mentioned, does that mean it wasn't so? It would be the same as saying if something is repeated often enough, it becomes so. Oy vey!

 

It's pretty simple. If Turks, Albanians, and Bosnians are "Europeans," Judaic-Christian values cannot be the foundation of European civilization.

Indeed, Europe has never been fully Christian. Just as the Muslims in Spain and the Pagans in the Baltic were being cleaned up, the Turks arrived on the scene.

Got pretty close, though.

 

Okay but we were talkin' about Bavaria and their crosses.
Not the whole E.U.
If Bavaria did go Judeo Christian with crosses and Star of David,
they would become primary in the war on Islamic Cultural Hegemony in Europe.
I think they would like that even at the cost of the word, Judeo.



Moi

r > g

Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us. ​

 

Simply untrue. Bavarians are ambivalent on the matter of Islamic immigration.

 

What a dumb question... Why would he ever consider "NAZI Russians" who still are today heavily opposing Soviet Union and all of its communist resemblances within the Russian "semi-presidential" federalist structure, as "traitors of Russia", when Putin himself makes sure infinite amounts of Rubles are thrown at them for operating in the arms of fascist schools like Wagner...????

Medieval dark ages were Christian from bottom to top.

Let's fake a little sad bigot now, it's just time. Lol...

 

Ad Hominem attacks, mingled with incomprehension. You sound frustrated Goody.


Hee, hee, hee and a ho, ho, ho.
Let's attack now - go, go, go.

 

I don't think Islam had much of an influence in Europe or its values, nor do I think they had that much of an influence on Christians in N. Africa or the Near and Middle East. It seems from what I gathered, that all the standards and customs that exist in that part of the world predate Islam.

As an example, many of the islands in the Aegean sided with Persia against the Greeks. This meant the Greek colonists in the East were mingling with the Persians for a thousand years before Alexander the Great told his men to marry Persian women.

How would it be possible for Islamic values to make headway into a Christian culture if the Muslims never entered that Christian culture? For instance, if a Muslim married a Christian woman or took her as a slave, she didn't have to change her religion. Their children though had to become Muslim. I should think the opposite would have happened then, and that the Muslims adopted many of the values and standards of the Christians from the slaves that were entering their household.

The Arabs to their credit, absorbed much of the intellectualism that still thrived in Alexandria, (probably from converts), and this is what led to their golden age. The Turks didn't though. Instead they looked at the Christians as slaves, so instead of absorbing the brilliance of Constantinople, (which the Italian colonists had made well use of and which led to their Renaissance), they were indifferent to it. More than likely, it was probably the Turks who put an end to the Arabian Golden Age as well- but I am not sure.

Anyway, these are just my thoughts on it.

 

I just wrote up a long point by point post in response, and the page crashed and lost everything, so I'm going to summarize out of frustration (sorry.)

Many Greeks sided with the Persians for geopolitical reasons. Even the Spartans would make this decision at points.

I'm not claiming that Islam is central to European culture, I'm claiming that it's reasonable for Turks to oppose the sentiment of Christian sentimentality.

The only major Islamic contribution to European culture I can think of (and I do mean religiously Islamic) was the rationalistic legalistic minutiae that Scholasticism brought to the fore.

The Islamic Golden Age was probably more Persian in character than Arabian, but you're not entirely wrong in blaming the Turks for it's fall, it misses much of the truth. The Mongols, the Turks, and al-Ghazali all played their part.

 

The point that I was trying to make, is that the Greek colonists in Anatolia and the Eastern Aegean had close contact with Persia for over a thousand years, so what might seem like Turkish, really comes from the admixture of Romans, Greeks and Persians.

Looking at Europe from their standards, and not comprehending Christian and European values and standards, then of course it's reasonable. But looking at it from a European point of view it makes no sense.

I find this puzzling, because memorizing and 'rote' is what is emphasized in Islamic schools, rather than reasoning. I should think Scholastiism would be more from Latin, since they codified the laws and place concepts within boundaries - especially in theology

But look, these are just my ideas - and believe me I don't know that much.

 

Does this look like 'fun' to you? https://www.google.ca/search?q=musl...ydvaAhXJr1QKHRyCAYMQ_AUICygC&biw=1280&bih=615

 

funeral crosses everywhere? seems kinda dark...

German Christians ran out the Jews in the past, we know they are die hards and you don' t want to mess with their religious beliefs

 

That's likely correct.

 

No, in fact it's Europeans who are predicting this. Americans don't really care.

Just Google European Civil War and you'll see the sources.

 

And why not, everything else gets shoved down our throats.

 

God is in the courthouse. Our laws didn't just pop out of thin air, no more than I did. There is evolution and growth to everything, and the foundation of our laws are the Ten Commandments.

 

Never mistake the crooked cross for a Cross. One represents a pagan self exaltation, and the other a Christian humility and compassion.