Out 'Missiled': How Would America Stop Russia or China's Massive Stockpile of Missiles?

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're aware of the danger, and at the same time you're calling it invented fear mongering? Wouldn't that be an oxymoron?

    Maybe you should make up your mind? Either an arms race is dangerous or it's not dangerous and its invented fear mongering. It can't be both- except maybe in Washington's New Orwellian Dictionary.




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    No. It is just nonsense because the danger is an invention of the Russian press.

    No an arms race can be not dangerous and not be fear mongered. I believe the arms race to which you refer is also an invention. I realize it is your job to write this nonsense but you may as well keep it logical.
     
  3. Jeannette

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    Oh, then the situation is not dangerous? Thank you for letting us all know.


    Lord, what fools these mortals be - William Shakespeare

    You give them eyes, but cannot see - Jeannette
     
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    You're welcome.
     
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    And I present as evidence against your comparison the relative peace we have had And will continue to have due to MAD, which was a principle that did not yet exist at time of the events you mention.
     
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    I think @Destroyer of illusions must meet a quota by the end of the month, which resulted in this diarrhea of his silly threads.
     
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    Russia has good reason to be worried. The new sheriff in town will not turn a blind eye to their BS. They won't be able to invade their neighbors with impunity any more. When they gassed the Syrians, Trump didn't draw a line in the sand, he took out their airbase. Putin peed down his leg and filled the airways with meaningless Russian threats. Second the Russian economy. They don't have to worry about it collapsing, they don't have an economy to collapse. The median income in Russia is about $300 a month. Ever wonder want it would be like to live on $10 a day? That is reality in Russia. Their economy is a one trick pony. With the reemergence of oil production in the US, that pony is looking sickly. Trump has also made it clear to Germany and others that he won't tolerate catering to Russia or not making their NATO commitments. Now Trump is stepping up the Nuclear Race again. Does anyone think the one trick pony Russian economy has any chance of keeping pace?
     
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    I'm wondering where the trolls are posting out of....since iIread that one of their troll houses in StPete caught fire....maybe one of them didn't get paid and decided to torch the place.....vatniks have this urge to set fires...lol.
     
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    That's really the heart of the matter--the US and NATO act in a belligerent manner, overthrowing governments all over the globe, even as Russia works hard to keep the peace. The Nobel Committee made Gunslinger Obama its peace candidate, but it should be Putin.
     
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    I agree. The award for Obama was purely political. Putin is not politically popular around the world.
     
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    LOL...should be Putin.....a tin pot that invades Georgia, Ukraine, drops bombs on Average Syrians, sends GRU goons to bump off his own disloyal turds, have I missed anything...:)))!
     
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    This is what I say. Only thanks to Russia's powerful weapons, did we have a relative peace.
     
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    Are these all your arguments?
     
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    China can't afford a war with the US and Russia would be equally insane since in a full out nuclear war no one wins, that is the point of MAD even if you have some kind of defense it better be almost 100% effective or else, and in a conventional war we have tons of allies and defense treaties and they better be willing to invade us and break us and no nation has have tried that since the War of 1812 which we started and had it coming. You don't invade China or Russia and you don't invade the United States to do any of these is asking and courting disaster.
     
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    Unfortunately, moderators do not allow to define your mental development in one word. For some reason they consider it an insult. Although it is a fact.
     
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    My previous statement is plausible.....you're welcome to refute with links/sources.....credible ones, without viruses. But I highly doubt you can provide anything remotely accurate.
     
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    Yep.
    Every single one of them.
     
  18. Mushroom

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    Yea. Rock on, you are so right!

    We will just ignore the Georgian Civil War, the Abkhazia War, the Tranistria War, the North Ossetia Conflict, the war in Tajikistan, the First Chechen War, the Second Chechen War, the Russo-Georgian War, the Caucasus Insurgency, the Ukranian Invasion. Yea, not aggressive at all.

    History (or even current events), read it much?
     
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    No the @Jeannette doesn't read much history....they get it all from sputnik & first russ!?!
     
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    What do I think? That you largely do not know what you are talking about.

    Here is a big freaking clue. To start with, any possibility of such a strike being done undetected is slim to none.

    OK, here is the first clue. Cruise missiles have a fairly short range. As in under 1,000 miles. Certainly no attacks against Guam are going to come from the mainland, they are going to be by sea and air. Do you think the US is just going to sit back and do nothing when it realizes that scores of bombers are massing for an attack against them?

    Oh, and Guam is not just an "overseas base". It is American Territory. Everybody that lives on that island is an American Citizen. And I mean that in the most literal sense, they are American Citizens by birth, and one can even become President. That is not some "overseas base". If that is true, then Pearl Harbor is also an "overseas base".

    And the response should be rather obvious. Attacking Guam would be a direct declaration of war against the US, as much as if it was California that was attacked, or Hawaii. Or do you not believe that we should protect our own citizens?

    And what, attack the bases in Japan? Germany? Qatar? England? Congratulations, you have just started WWIII.

    The majority of those weapons you mentioned are very short range, and good luck bringing them to bear undetected.

    Longer range ballistic missiles? Once again, congratulations, you just triggered off WWIII. Because the moment the US (or any other nation, including Russia and China) detected inbound long range ballistic missiles against them, they are going to react the exact same way, as if it was a nuclear attack. Because there is no way to tell the difference between an ICBM with a nuke from one with a conventional payload until it goes boom.

    Please stop trying to make such silly posts, they only show how little you actually know. Guam an overseas base indeed. I guess to some people, any group of people who are say brown and live on an island can not possibly be Americans. Sorry bubba, but all 167,000 people living there are American citizens.
     
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    They will use economic means... sanctions and trade wars all aimed at providing American corporations with unfair trade advantage. Like a vampire they use Nato to buy their weapons... essentially scraping a commission from the GDP of these countries....you will pay America or you will die...many already has
     
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    When did the U.> threaten a nuclear first strike on anyone? No one seriously believes the U.S. would ever be the first to use nuclear weapons on anyone in the modern era.

    And last I read the Russians were believed to have two, that's two SSBNs at sea at one time. I would wager that at least one U.S. attack submarine (SSN) is trailing each of them whenever they leave Russian waters.
     
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    The Russian military is but a fraction of what it once was. There is not a single area that its weapons and munitions are not inferior to those of the United States.
     
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    Are Donald Trump and the Kochs paying off all the Trumphumpers? It would certainly explain why so many of them still so unfailingly support him despite whatever he does.
     

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