Palestinian Girl Cries As Israelis Bulldoze Her Home

closing the Straits of Tiran was an act of war. This was discussed many times and everyone knew it would be an act of war.

 

Yes and Nasser did it anyway thinking he had superiority. Part of that thinking was an army he had in the West Bank...i think.

 

Initially, both Egypt and Israel announced that they had been attacked by the other country. Gideon Rafael, the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, received a message from the Israeli foreign office: "inform immediately the President of the Sec. Co. that Israel is now engaged in repelling Egyptian land and air forces." At 3:10 am, Rafael woke ambassador Hans Tabor, the Danish President of the Security Council for June, with the news that Egyptian forces had "moved against Israel".[1] and that Israel was responding to a "cowardly and treacherous" attack from Egypt…"[2] At the Security Council meeting of June 5, both Israel and Egypt claimed to be repelling an invasion by the other,[1] and "Israeli officials – Eban and Evron – swore that Egypt had fired first".[3]

On June 5 Egypt, supported by the USSR, charged Israel with aggression. Israel claimed that Egypt had struck first, telling the council that "in the early hours of this morning Egyptian armoured columns moved in an offensive thrust against Israel’s borders. At the same time Egyptian planes took off from airfields in Sinai and struck out towards Israel. Egyptian artillery in the Gaza strip shelled the Israel villages of Kissufim, Nahal-Oz and Ein Hashelosha..." In fact, this was not the case,[4] The US Office of Current Intelligence "...soon concluded that the Israelis – contrary to their claims – had fired first"[5] and it is now known the war started by a surprise Israeli attack against Egypt's air forces that left its ground troops vulnerable to further Israeli air strikes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_relating_to_the_Six-Day_War

Little bit different from what you wrote,

Certainly the Israeli attack on its neighbours is the biggest contributing factor to no Palestinian State today! Just you implied the Israelis were attacked which is not true! And they lied about it!

 

very true. what isnt true though is that White Jewish Europeans are the lineal descendants of those Israelites. WJE's are converts to a religion from central europe and are of Turkish origin primarily, not Afro/Asian as were the Hebrews/Israelites.

 

Sorry Ronstar. You are wrong. Everyone did not know it was an act of war. Several who are no longer here argued against it. I myself did a bit of research and found Finkleston gave a full account of why Egypt's position was in no way an act of war. That was on some videos but having none too great a memory I decided to remind myself and did a search.

Ok Here is the situation. 67 was a land grab by Israel. There was some disagreement between the Israelis about what they were going to take but that is what they intended on doing. It was Finkleston says a re-run of 56 so that brings us to the second reason for the attack. To get rid of Nasser. To finish what they started in 56 which the US would not let them finish then....not according to what he says because they were against Israel doing this,more the timing. This time they were in agreement. They had decided the arabs would not come on their side and that Nasser was far to independent minded and wanted Israel as an alley in order to have her against the USSR. It sort of makes a farce of those who suggest that the reason for USS Liberty was alright because they were not friends then.

You can read all I have said put much better at the link.

However as far as Egypt shutting the Straits of Tital being a legit declaration of War, in that you are wrong.

I will give a quote from the start - from Israel's attack on Syria

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2017/06/03/finkelstein-what-really-happened-in-june-1967/

You can read the rest at the link.

 

First they claimed they were attacked, when that was proven to be a lie they claimed it was because of troop movements, that was shown to be a lie so they settled on the Straits of Hormuz, third time lucky!

 

Access to Jordan's only seaport of Aqaba and to Israel's only Red Sea seaport of Eilat is through the Gulf of Aqaba, which gives the Straits of Tiran strategic importance.[2][3] In 1967, ninety percent of Israeli oil passed through the Straits of Tiran, making it a target of Egyptian blockade during the Arab League boycott of Israel.

The U.S. President at the time, Lyndon Johnson, had this to say about closure of these straits being a cause of the Six-Day War:[14][15]

If a single act of folly was more responsible for this explosion than any other, it was the arbitrary and dangerous announced decision that the Straits of Tiran would be closed. The right of innocent, maritime passage must be preserved for all nations.

Israeli Prime Minister Eshkol repeated declarations that Israel had made in 1957, saying that closure of the Straits of Tiran would be an act of war.[139][140] Then, on May 22, Egypt responded by announcing, in addition to the UN withdrawal,[107] that the Straits of Tiran would be closed to "all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials", with effect from May 23.[141] In order to enforce the blockade, Egypt falsely announced that the Tiran straits had been mined.[142] 90% of Israeli oil passed through the Straits of Tiran.[143] Oil tankers that were due to pass through the straits were delayed.[144][145]

According to Sami Sharaf, Minister of State for Presidential Affairs, Nasser knew that the decision to block the Tiran straits made the war "inevitable".[146] Nasser stated, "Under no circumstances can we permit the Israeli flag to pass through the Gulf of Aqaba." The closure of the Tiran Straits was closely linked to the previous withdrawal of the UN peacekeepers, because having the peacekeepers (rather than the Egyptian military) at Sharm el Sheik was important for keeping that waterway open.[147]

After the 1956 campaign in which Israel conquered Sharm el-Sheikh and opened the blocked Straits, it was forced to withdraw and return the territory to Egypt. At the time, members of the international community pledged that Israel would never again be denied use of the Straits of Tiran. The French representative to the UN, for example, announced that an attempt to interfere with free shipping in the Straits would be against international law, and American President Dwight Eisenhower went so far as publicly to recognize that reimposing a blockade in the Straits of Tiran would be seen as an aggressive act which would oblige Israel to protect its maritime rights in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter.[153]

The rights of Egypt regarding the Straits of Tiran had been debated at the General Assembly pursuant to Israel's withdrawal from the Sinai following the Suez Crisis. A number of states, including Australia, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States argued that the Straits were international waters, and, as such, all vessels had the right of "free and innocent passage" through them.

State practice and customary international law is that ships of all states have a right of innocent passage through territorial seas.[157][158] That Egypt had consistently granted passage as a matter of state practice until then suggests that its opinio juris in that regard was consistent with practice.[159] Moreover, during the Egyptian occupation of the Saudi islands of Sanafir and Tiran in 1950, it provided assurances to the US that the military occupation would not be used to prevent free passage, and that Egypt recognizes that such free passage is "in conformity with the international practice and the recognized principles of international law.".[160] In 1949 the International Court of Justice held in the Corfu Channel Case (United Kingdom v. Albania) that where a strait was overlapped by a territorial sea foreign ships, including warships, had unsuspendable right of innocent passage through such straits used for international navigation between parts of the high seas, but express provision for innocent passage through straits within the territorial sea of a foreign state was not codified until the 1958 Convention on the Territorial Sea and the Contiguous Zone.

 

In the urban vernacular the proper term is "turf".

 

OK. What turf do they seek?

 

Any neighbourhood where graft can be introduced or taken from someone else's corrupt enterprise. It's the identical method used by the Mafia.

 

I think you're right in that the European / Ashkenazi Jews who comprised invading Zionist terrorist gangs like Irgun, Haganah, Lehi etc were more closely related to the Turkic Khazars while the Shepardin who were native to the region had more of an Afro / Asian background.

According to the 1922 British census, the population breakdown was:
590,890 Muslims, 83,794 Jews, 73,024 Christians, 7,028 Druze, 408 Sikhs, 265 Bahais, 156 Metawalis, and 163 Samaritans(1)

I cited the 1922 census because it is considered the first and most reliable census


(1) 1922 census of Palestine"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_... Palestine,and persons of foreign nationality.

 

Juan Cole is the person who came up with these maps.

Here is what he has to say

https://www.juancole.com/2010/03/map-story-of-palestinian-nationhood.html

 

LOLOL!!! nonsense.

it was well known and expected that mass immigration of Jews from the Middle East and Europe would take place to Palestine.

the Mandate for Palestine called for agencies to be created to facilitate such mass immigration and settlement throughout the territory.

claiming that the State Land and Arab Land were all "Arab land", is a hoax and a farce,

 

As Finkelstein said a) Yes, you are correct Israel used the straits for her oil but she was well supplied with oil

above link. Second. The straits were never closed, or if so for a couple of days or so. 3) He was legally entitiled to tell the UN to scarper and Israel could have had its own protection on the other side which she had chosen not to do. She even could have got them in then. 4) Nasser offered Israel the possibilities to take this to this International Court of Justice. Israel refused.

Legally there was no reason. It was an excuse.
Previous link

You notice he does not say they have been closed?

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2017/06/03/finkelstein-what-really-happened-in-june-1967/

Look you haven't given a link for this wiki article or whatever it is but I have dealt with these issues already. Finkelstein deals with all of the issues with decent sources. Yes, American Jews and Jews in Israel were genuinely frightened due to their Government going on about this being another holocaust or whatever but both the US and Israeli Government and Military were well aware that if Egypt did attack Israel she would make mince meat of them. The US however did not know that Israel was going to make the attack but she did know that Egypt would be beaten if she did so.

Nasser was not wanting a war with Israel. Hehad other things to do. He had no intention on attacking Israel and Israel and the US knew it.

Above link. You are forgetting that the US was supporting Israel. Israel had gone to see them before hand to make sure what happened in 56 did not happen again.



Some more unsavory parts of this. Israel murdered 2000 Egyptian prisoners of war and made thousands of them walk miles in the burning sand having demanded they take their boots off. Now the bad treatment and the killing of prisoners of war I know from Jews who had to or chose to fight in this war. This was not what they had thought they were coming to fight for. Several years ago I posted a video of their experiences including their belief that it was a bit peculiar that they came to save the Israeli people from annilihation and ended up taking much more land rather than defending it and comiting war crimes. They thought OMG is this how Israel is going to continue to be. Israel lost a lot of her support from Jews with the 67 war though for the first time American Jews started talking about Israel and supporting Israel because Israel had become an alley of the US and since then has been the biggest danger to world peace, carrying on her intent to take all of what was Palestine and no doubt further.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...raels-land-grab-in-the-west-bank-2020110.html

As the conversation goes on in the original link I left, prior to 67 there was some kind of decency in Israel. Since then there is not and it gets worse and worse and worse.

The US has lost its Democratic Party as far as orientation is concerned as it condones everything Israel does which means war war war.

 

Normal Finkelstein, who taught at my Alma Mater, has a big grudge against Jewish people.

 

this is of course, a baseless lie

 

Them Israeli land grabbers... they got so much already and still want some more!

 

More than half of the territory in this image is not Arab

 

If you’re referring to Iran... aw they might aw well be.

 

Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, they are NOT Arab.

or do you share the bigoted and ignorant idea that "all Muslims are Arabs".

hmm???

 

Touché. And none of these Muslim countries border Israel, all countries that birder Israel are Arab countries. So...

 

So these inmajority peaceful protestors of BLM have no reason to protest and are at least terrorists too? Seriously?

And no ... there is much terror attacks from the far righties too in your country ... facts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#United_States

112 people killed since 2001 by right wing extremist terrorists in the USA.
1 Person killed since 2001 by left wing extremist terrorists in the USA!
212 people killed since 2001 by Islamic terrorists in the USA (attack of 9/11 aside/ not counted)

And then we have also this one as source which tells otherway as you here ...

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

 

Very seriously. They want to overthrow our government by their own admission and they use violence to do it as can be seen in TV video. Classic definition of terrorism.

Yes but not lately. Looking for internet statistics isn't exactly the same as living here.

 

True, some Muslims, Christians, Pagans etc converted to Judalism.
Generally such people remained "Jews" for about three generations
on average. Some stayed "Jews" forever through long term intermarriage.
But there is a GENETIC JEW, descendants of the Bronze Age Jews of
Palestine. Some Jews with the Cohan or Cohen, about 50%, are related
to Moses through Aaron and the Levite tribe. That is demonstrated through
DNA studies.

 

There's this place in northern Israel called the Jezreel Valley. It was owned by Turkish
absentee landlords. This valley was sold to Jewish settlers for a lot of money. The deal
was to compensate poor Arabs who were tenant farmers.
Today the Palestinians speak of how the Jews "stole" the Jezreel from them.

This land purchase was common during the 20's and 30's and 40's. Many Arabs came
to Palestine when swamps were drained, land was cleared and the economy took off.
Yes, there were some Jews already in Palestine for centuries, and many Arabs too.
The real issue was the exploding Jewish population - not one acre of land was "stolen"
back at the turn of the last century but many Jews were buying up land, and this alarmed
the Arabs. Attempts at sharing the land failed and today we have this tragic stand-off with
two ancient people with ancient claims to an ancient land.